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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothv13 View Post
    You do know Emet admits to the WoL that the ancients would have never made it that far right?
    Not to mention there were actually two scenes during our time in Elpis that addresses this. The first was when Emet-Selch says that he is confiscating Meteion in the name of the Convocation for study and because it was too dangerous to be left alone once he realizes what it's capable of doing. This heavily implies that no one knew what this thing was exactly and had never seen anything like it before. It wasn't a familiar. It was something different. An "entelechy" which no one but Hermes knew anything about. In fact, during your investigation with Venat, you discover that he did all this in private. He never sought approval for his concept or his experiments.

    Second - and this is the biggest thing - the memory wipe. Now, if you want to argue that was a contrivance to move the plot forward, I won't argue that. But it did at least explain why no counter was created, because per Hermes' instructions, they all believed Meteion was destroyed. All but Venat. And we know why she didn't create a counter. She had her own plan, controversial as it may have been.

    But this is the kind of stuff I talk about when I say some people just completely missed the point or even missed crucial plot points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    Not to mention there were actually two scenes during our time in Elpis that addresses this. The first was when Emet-Selch says that he is confiscating Meteion in the name of the Convocation for study and because it was too dangerous to be left alone once he realizes what it's capable of doing. This heavily implies that no one knew what this thing was exactly and had never seen anything like it before. It wasn't a familiar. It was something different. An "entelechy" which no one but Hermes knew anything about. In fact, during your investigation with Venat, you discover that he did all this in private. He never sought approval for his concept or his experiments.

    Second - and this is the biggest thing - the memory wipe. Now, if you want to argue that was a contrivance to move the plot forward, I won't argue that. But it did at least explain why no counter was created, because per Hermes' instructions, they all believed Meteion was destroyed. All but Venat. And we know why she didn't create a counter. She had her own plan, controversial as it may have been.

    But this is the kind of stuff I talk about when I say some people just completely missed the point or even missed crucial plot points.
    Most things can be created without approval. No one is surprised that Meteion's concept wasn't submitted, nor that Azem could have created us without going throught the bureau. However it's pretty clear you're supposed to have the authorization to release a concept in the wild: the loophole is, the whole universe wasn't really monitored.

    And yes, Emet-Selch admits the WoL fared better than they would have, considering their memories were wiped. We still wouldn't know what would have happened had they the knowledge of what hit them. We know why nobody tried to get rid of here, we just lament the fact that Venat decided herself that Ancients had to go to deal with that problem, without even trying to tell them what was going to happen.
    Besides, what if she told them? If they didn't listen to what she had to say about Meteion and decided to just ignore her because they were now safe, she could have still sundered everything and enacted her plan.

    Nobody is saying "Ancients with no knowledge of Meteion would have beaten her". No, they would just have hid behind Zodiark and kept going with their life while the rest of the universe suffered, unbeknownst to them.
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