Content Finder

[Choyi]

I never once belived XIV would have anywhere near the success of WoW, if it has over 500k subs at peak even that be a surprise (and 500k isnt a nubmer to scoff at, thats more then most MMOs once theyre past their initial laucnh spectacle)
Even if it has 100k players, over 10 server, well you do the math of chances to run into another person again.

And this is besides the point, its about the inniative to interact with other players in the first place, and for many thats a lot lower when you are bundled with people that you realistcly belive you wont meet again.
And no this isnt about anyone being rude or bad behavior in a random dungeon finder party, its about lack of any sort of emotion or chat more then "Hi" "ready?" and "cya".

Say that most of the high end content is instanced in dungeons, with a dungeon finder system people will log on, que up and then afk in town until they get put in a group, and after dungeon run is over the pop back into town, rinse and repeat.
You eliminate first the need to interact with others on your server (why spend effort shouting etc forming a group when you can just let computer do so for you?) meaning towns will be as dead as now even with 100x the amoun of players.
Secondly you eliminate the reason to travel outside the city, there will be no people traveling around between aerthytes and no gathering of groups outside dungeone entrances etc.

Since its the biggest example of this, take a look in WoW, go anywhere outside any city in WoW and you will be hard pressed to find any larger amounts of player anywhere, after dungeon finder was introduced in WoW thats pretty much all people do, sit in town half afk queing.
Towns are silent apart from random trade chat trolling and the occasional advertisment for someone selling something, and the gameworld is barren of intiligent life to the point it feels more like a Co-op game then a MMO outside cities.
I know this is turning to be a standard in modern day MMOs but must every new MMO theese days mimic WoW for both good and bad?

And I don't dislike WoW, I just miss the days when playing an MMO meant to play togheter with others in something that felt like a genuine virtual world, instead of just playing more or less solo amongst other soloists jumping from one instanced hub or lobby to another.

[Sylvari]

OK i get it, Ppl are worried that the social interaction between players will suffer. But that's something that no one can know until SE has decided what system they want and when its in the game. If so many ppl are worried then just think about what it would be like if all those ppl reached out to one another.

[Rokien]

I agree, Although i would prefer a content finder that is server exclusive i wouldn't be fazed either way. I'd be happy just to have something that can cut down the time i wait.

Pretty sure my example I said earlier... included your "time I wait".... Sooo, when I invite you to a party, your going to stick around for x amount of time before it is created, or you going to say "LETS USE THE FINDER"....

rude player is rude.

[Sylvari]

Pretty sure my example I said earlier... included your "time I wait".... Sooo, when I invite you to a party, your going to stick around for x amount of time before it is created, or you going to say "LETS USE THE FINDER"....

rude player is rude.

I'm happy to wait, If the leader wants to invite more ppl then i don't mind. If I'm leader then I'll invite my friends and then if nothing comes up, I'll use the finder and enjoy some runs.

edit: I'm aware that ^ comment does contradict my other one, But i do have a lot of patience.

[Jinko]

When I log in now I log in put myself up for a party and then go craft or gather, what's the difference ?

You make it sound like adding yourself to a queue and AFKing (people used to do this in FF11 all the time) is such a bad thing, I already said the game as it currently stands nobody talks they just gather and craft.

This isn't true though because we all talk in our LS, which is the whole point, if i want to log in and do random content with random people I don't know why I shouldn't be able to?

I will be talking to my LS members no doubt whilst I party with people anyway, If you have a good LS you don't really need to make new friends IMO

If you lack good LS people go out and recruit some new ones

[Rousseau]

I don't understand why people would suddenly be rude to those on other servers but not their own.. I'm sure it happens sometimes, but I just don't understand people like that.

I don't really understand it, either, but that's how a lot of people act in games like WoW. I can only chalk it up to impatience and an ends-justify-the-means mentality, which is made worse by the knowledge that the other players can't really do much to impact them long-term. If they get vote-kicked, they just re-queue and find another group to ruin.

It is perhaps worth pointing out that Blizzard has a rule about creating threads to complain about problem players. It is against the TOS, and doing so can get the thread creator banned. I say this because I see mention of such things being allowed by SE on their FFXI forums, which would maybe cut down on the poor behavior...assuming that SE doesn't eventually go the same route as Blizzard and ban naming names.

[Rokien]

When I log in now I log in put myself up for a party and then go craft or gather, what's the difference ?

You make it sound like adding yourself to a queue and AFKing (people used to do this in FF11 all the time) is such a bad thing, I already said the game as it currently stands nobody talks they just gather and craft.

This isn't true though because we all talk in out LS, which is the whole point, if i want to log in and do random content with random people I don't know then why shouldn't I ?

I will be talking to my LS members no doubt whilst I party with people anyway, If you have a good LS you don't really need to make new friends IMO

So, it's okay to be lazy on an MMORPG, where you can get everything by doing hardly nothing? Where people can just do everything with a few button touches? With no effort or all.....

[Rokien]

I'm happy to wait, If the leader wants to invite more ppl then i don't mind. If I'm leader then I'll invite my friends and then if nothing comes up, I'll use the finder and enjoy some runs.

edit: I'm aware that ^ comment does contradict my other one, But i do have a lot of patience.

Invite your friends... Why not make new friends on the server where it matters. Instead of helping other people that you don't even know or won't see again.
It seems more beneficial to help the people you will be playing with or more of a chance to play with than random dumbies.

[Jinko]

So, it's okay to be lazy on an MMORPG, where you can get everything by doing hardly nothing? Where people can just do everything with a few button touches? With no effort or all.....

Sure why not, I touch my buttons all the time.

Lets not be absurd though, I schedule events with my LS on a regular basis, this is what community is for me (linkshells and guilds) content finder would just be something different for when I don't want to take time to schedule an event.

It's nice to be spontaneous sometimes.

[Rokien]

Sure why not, I touch my buttons all the time.

Lets not be absurd though, I schedule events with my LS on a regular basis, this is what community is for me (linkshells and guilds) content finder would just be something different for when I don't want to take time to schedule an event.

It's nice to be spontaneous sometimes.

There's that time thing I was talking about. People will start getting in that time mind set. They don't wanna waist more time than they half to. Anyways, afk work.