Content Finder

[Zumi]

I mean the classes i'm looking for. You know the first party search we had i like that one but no one would use it. The old search i could say i wanted 3 Pgl 4 THMs and a Gla to join my pt and only those classes join, no more than 3 pgl and 4 thm's and 1 gla.

Most likely they would not let you do that because of class discrimination and class stacking which they wouldn't want. The goal is to get everyone though the queue fast.

[Firon]

Most likely they would not let you do that because of class discrimination and class stacking which they wouldn't want. The goal is to get everyone though the queue fast.

I'm sure that would just make peeps stop using the finder when they could shout for the classes they want.

[Zumi]

I'm sure that would just make peeps stop using the finder when they could shout for the classes they want.

No, people would use it because the game would automatically match you up with people in like a couple min as opposed staying in 1 town shouting for people for like an hour to do the same thing the cross server finder could do in a min or two.

[indira]

no one want to do anything anyways but complain about stuff, when you ask "lets do this" they say there busy dont, feel like it.

i doubt a finder will help no uses the search and no one answers to /sh or /t in town, they just want to sit there and do nothing.

[Zumi]

A cross server Content Finder is a ease of use feature. There really is no good argument for not having it. You might even make some new friends along the way, and have more adventures then you normally would of. Really no reason why people would be so offended by casual players getting to do see content or getting gear. Its an optional ease of use feature that you are not being forced to use.

Takes the hassle of forming a party away? Yes

Organizes groups in a streamlined and efficient way? Yes

Does it let the more casual player that wants to do the games content be to log in queue up for a group, and start slaying digital dragons without the hassle of putting together a group ? Yes

If I just want to run quick raid instance in like my spare 1 hour I have to play the game? Yes

Are you being force to use Content Finder if they have one? No, if the content finder isn't for you then you don't have to use it.

Can you still do things the old fashioned way by getting your friends linkshell members together to run a raid or boss and run to the zone? Yes

If you want to make your own group by shouting in town can you still do that? Yes

[Rokien]

Takes the hassle of forming a party away? No, I get people together, they will want to use it to make the other half, I would not allow that. There for making people angry

Organizes groups in a streamlined and efficient way? Streamline is never a good thing. It's like, everygame should just do what CoD does. Come out a game every year with one or two changes.

Does it let the more casual player that wants to do the games content be to log in queue up for a group, and start slaying digital dragons without the hassle of putting together a group ? You might not get a group... You could stay in a que for a long time if noone uses it. Like me.

If I just want to run quick raid instance in like my spare 1 hour I have to play the game? You are playing and MMORPG, if you can't invest time into it you shouldn't be playing.

Are you being force to use Content Finder if they have one? yes, I will see a shout group, and they will be like, K LETS USE THE CONTENT FINDER!~. Or I'll make a group, and my members will be like LETS USE THE CONTENT FINDER. It is going to be forcing me to use it. Because it will make people lazy just like anima.

Can you still do things the old fashioned way by getting your friends linkshell members together to run a raid or boss and run to the zone? Yes, but as I said, they might just wanna use the content finder to fill in the extra spots.

If you want to make your own group by shouting in town can you still do that? Yes, though will they stay? I don't think they will, or they will leave and just go do content finder.

It's soon going to be like "WAITING AROUND FOR PT IS TIME SYNC I CAN'T HAVE IT!!!! THIS IS WASTING MY TIME TO PUT A LITTLE EFFORT INTO A GAME!"
I'll get back at ya after work is done.

[Mychael]

Zumi, I mostly agree with everything you've said, but a few things stick out...

Organizes groups in a streamlined and efficient way? Yes

Streamline? Yes.
Efficient? Maybe. Hopefully new content will require at least some strategy--not the kind of "ARC DOES THE MOST DAMAGE! LET'S STACK IT!" strategy we have now, but that there will be a reason to balance party setups. In the end, an automatic pool of people can never be customized enough to accommodate every variable that will make a party work or not. If getting into the dungeon is the goal, it is more efficient. If beating the instance is the goal, it will always be more efficient to build a party of people whose names you know.

If I just want to run quick raid instance in like my spare 1 hour I have to play the game? Yes

Yes, but I don't think a majority of people want the kind of instance where you can throw together a party and win in an hour. If it's that easy, it'll become boring fast, just like current content. That said, this type of content does need to be represented (for people that only have a spare hour) but we should not base all of our expectations around that.

Are you being force to use Content Finder if they have one? No, if the content finder isn't for you then you don't have to use it.
Can you still do things the old fashioned way by getting your friends linkshell members together to run a raid or boss and run to the zone? Yes
If you want to make your own group by shouting in town can you still do that? Yes

This is largely up to the dev team. That's why we're discussing it now, so they have our feedback before they make it. I will adapt whether they add it or not. However, depending on how it's designed, it could just fail miserably and be used once throughout the life of the game, or it could be the only thing that people ever do in the game. In my opinion, it needs to fall somewhere in-between.

[indira]

I've said it many times, there was only one ffxi, and tons of WoW clones.

yes. wow, clones there all queue up and wait games @_@ too.

[Valmonte]

No i do not favor, nor want a Cross server finder simply because i know how it will turn out.

i Want Yoshi to personally use the cross server finder and the current games that use it, and tell me what a fun experience he had being dropped from party when that rare loot dropped, or being ninja'd then that person dropping or AFK gotta walk my dog for 2 hours, and my personal favorite being kicked from what ever instance you were in because Player B still uses Grandpa's dial up.

[Zumi]

No i do not favor, nor want a Cross server finder simply because i know how it will turn out.

i Want Yoshi to personally use the cross server finder and the current games that use it, and tell me what a fun experience he had being dropped from party when that rare loot dropped, or being ninja'd then that person dropping or AFK gotta walk my dog for 2 hours, and my personal favorite being kicked from what ever instance you were in because Player B still uses Grandpa's dial up.

Sounds like you never played a mmo with a queue system. Usually works like this, to prevent these types of situations there is always rules in any kind of finder tool for example these are the most commonly used ones.

1. There is no ninjaing everyone gets a fair roll on loot. No player can set loot master / quarter master, a free roll system is used. Most games have restrictions on what people can roll based on their class and if they can use it.

2. You can kick people from the dungeon but it requires a majority vote to kick the person. Voting to kick people can not happen during combat or when there is loot in the treasure pool to be rolled on. Preventing people being kicked by someone because they want a rare item.

3. If someone has to leave or goes afk or is kicked by majority vote because they are causing a problem. The server will replace them with someone else in the queue and you will be on your way. People have to leave all the time for whatever reason but there is always people to replace them so its not that big of a deal.