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[KizuyaKatogami]

It's Final Fantasy. Is it cool? Is it fun? I'd say it was.

Having a crazy bird goddess smash together the planets of dead civilizations to explode me and my friends is pretty cool and fun.

Using thoughts and prayers to summon ancient magical beasts to fuel the propulsion system of a spaceship so we can fly across the universe is pretty cool too imo.

I can understand people not liking it. It's not for everyone and that's cool. However, its Final Fantasy there's been over a dozen of these games and they are just as nuts. You should know what this is all about by now.

Except past final fantasies have also killed off main characters to move the story forward. Past final fantasies baring a few have at least given proper exposition to lore plot points and try to leave out as few plot holes as possible. 14 has done neither of these things in a long time. It’s just a lot of asspulls and low stakes moments with a very mediocre outcome. It’s a shame because i’d say the beginning of this expansion was very strong, but they ruined it with the convoluted mess and backtracking and fluff that it just made a lot of it unbearable.People are free to like it though of course. Just as people are free to dislike it, but i don’t think it’s good to compare it to past final fantasies as those had MUCH higher stakes and also didn’t have a dev team catering to a community for.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Except past final fantasies have also killed off main characters to move the story forward. Past final fantasies baring a few have at least given proper exposition to lore plot points and try to leave out as few plot holes as possible. 14 has done neither of these things in a long time. It’s just a lot of asspulls and low stakes moments with a very mediocre outcome. It’s a shame because i’d say the beginning of this expansion was very strong, but they ruined it with the convoluted mess and backtracking and fluff that it just made a lot of it unbearable.People are free to like it though of course. Just as people are free to dislike it, but i don’t think it’s good to compare it to past final fantasies as those had MUCH higher stakes and also didn’t have a dev team catering to a community for.

All of the final fantasy games have had major plot holes when you look at them close enough. Final Fantasy 4, 6 and 7 for sure did. It's just not the point of playing these games. It's the complete off the wall fantasy. The rule of cool. It's that's not your thing then fine. It's not like this is a mystery.

[QT_Melon]

All of the final fantasy games have had major plot holes when you look at them close enough. Final Fantasy 4, 6 and 7 for sure did. It's just not the point of playing these games. It's the complete off the wall fantasy. The rule of cool. It's that's not your thing then fine. It's not like this is a mystery.

That's great and all - and we know This FF is a love letter to past ones. But those games were also old, so lets not hand wave it as an excuse for some of these issues with current writing. I don't think anyone was asking for they hyperbolic "Final Reality" but considering one of the major themes deals with a very heavy REALITY issue. I do feel that they could have tightened up those holes a bit better.

So let's not use past nostalgia as an excuse for people being a little more aware of writing issues in modern times.

[Rin_Kuroi]

So let's not use past nostalgia as an excuse for people being a little more aware of writing issues in modern times.

You understand these "writing-issues" are non-issues for other people? Nostalgia or not. If these "issues" are too much for you then I get it. However, part of media criticism is understanding the audience a piece of media is intended for. Final Fantasy isn't book 1 (or season 1 if were a tv show watcher) of Game of Thrones. That's not the kind of story its building here.