Spoiler, Sploilers, and more Spoilers

[KizuyaKatogami]

I despise JRPG stories for one simple reason: if you think about the story for all of one second, it becomes clear it's stupid. After that, the writing solely relies on the fanbase to fill numerous holes in the writing to provide reason to everything established in the story.

Yeah and that latter part is very evident. The fact no main protag’s have died in the story since SB, which is ironically where it seems more of the fan base feedback seemed to start getting to the devs. The fact we went through an entire apocalypse without loss when the main themes of this game since ARR have been sacrificing for the good of others etc is ironic. It seems those only apply to other characters but not the main heroes who will constantly come back lmao. Just makes the story lose the few stakes it barely had.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

What happened first? Hydaelyn giving us the flower to set us down the path to discovering and traveling to Elpis

OR

Meeting with Venat in Elpis and setting her down the path to become Hydaelyn.

I'm hesitant to call it a "bad" idea, but I don't see an escape out of this situation without making Azem (the original, as known by the Convocation) a literal time and causality god. Maybe that's the point, but it feels a little janky.

It feels very FF-esque for our character to just be a god's familiar in a distant time, but it also feels like we're not... us. Like everything we do in the game, everything we see, and everyone we meet, is predetermined and decided in advance. Insert the struggle against fate here. I can't say I'm too fond of the concept as it is in my head, but at least that seems more interesting than us being a literal god that just "forgot" they were a god.

With all of the Greek references and Azem being associated with fire (the sun, burning soul, orange color of soul) I could see them drawing some potential parallels with Prometheus. Maybe Azem "stole" the "fire" of creation magic from whatever-the-hell-the-actual-creator(s) are/were, and his/her punishment was to be torn from the heavens. To not be a god that is a god.

It's like terminator. Because a terminator 2as 8n the past later from the remains of it the terminators was made. It's a loop.

[Raiya]

Honestly the story is actually fine, it's well set up to me and does make sense, it also ties as much as possible back into thing's we've already seen, I also believe we'll eventually encounter our unsundered selves at some point in the future there's still questions yet to be answered like how the 3 "unsundered" well managed to evade a world shattering event to begin with, what what our original self doing during that period since we neither sided with the convocation over the obvious sacrifice involved and we seemingly didnt side with Venat either (though considering what was revealed it's very possible Venat knew our original COULDNT side with her since our future selves is what alerts her to the final days to begin with). I have a feeling our original self might have had something to do with those 3 escaping the sundering to begin with.

[Lunalepsy]

Sorry i have to say it: enemy not at full strengh, time travel, memory erase.

All this is a really, really cheap resource to tell a history.

Is used a lot becouse is easy to fix or manipulate everything.

im dissapointed nothing else.

Don't forget about the incessant info-dumping and head-hopping moments throughout the story!

[Rin_Kuroi]

It's Final Fantasy. Is it cool? Is it fun? I'd say it was.

Having a crazy bird goddess smash together the planets of dead civilizations to explode me and my friends is pretty cool and fun.

Using thoughts and prayers to summon ancient magical beasts to fuel the propulsion system of a spaceship so we can fly across the universe is pretty cool too imo.

I can understand people not liking it. It's not for everyone and that's cool. However, its Final Fantasy there's been over a dozen of these games and they are just as nuts. You should know what this is all about by now.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It's Final Fantasy. Is it cool? Is it fun? I'd say it was.

Having a crazy bird goddess smash together the planets of dead civilizations to explode me and my friends is pretty cool and fun.

Using thoughts and prayers to summon ancient magical beasts to fuel the propulsion system of a spaceship so we can fly across the universe is pretty cool too imo.

I can understand people not liking it. It's not for everyone and that's cool. However, its Final Fantasy there's been over a dozen of these games and they are just as nuts. You should know what this is all about by now.

Except past final fantasies have also killed off main characters to move the story forward. Past final fantasies baring a few have at least given proper exposition to lore plot points and try to leave out as few plot holes as possible. 14 has done neither of these things in a long time. It’s just a lot of asspulls and low stakes moments with a very mediocre outcome. It’s a shame because i’d say the beginning of this expansion was very strong, but they ruined it with the convoluted mess and backtracking and fluff that it just made a lot of it unbearable.People are free to like it though of course. Just as people are free to dislike it, but i don’t think it’s good to compare it to past final fantasies as those had MUCH higher stakes and also didn’t have a dev team catering to a community for.

[Atreides]

This game had alot of deaths already, you don't need your main cast die in every expansion. I would actually hate it. Would it have impact? Sure, but for the wrong reasons.

However, its Final Fantasy there's been over a dozen of these games and they are just as nuts. You should know what this is all about by now.

Perhaps they are waiting for Final Reality. With that, I see myself out.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Except past final fantasies have also killed off main characters to move the story forward. Past final fantasies baring a few have at least given proper exposition to lore plot points and try to leave out as few plot holes as possible. 14 has done neither of these things in a long time. It’s just a lot of asspulls and low stakes moments with a very mediocre outcome. It’s a shame because i’d say the beginning of this expansion was very strong, but they ruined it with the convoluted mess and backtracking and fluff that it just made a lot of it unbearable.People are free to like it though of course. Just as people are free to dislike it, but i don’t think it’s good to compare it to past final fantasies as those had MUCH higher stakes and also didn’t have a dev team catering to a community for.

All of the final fantasy games have had major plot holes when you look at them close enough. Final Fantasy 4, 6 and 7 for sure did. It's just not the point of playing these games. It's the complete off the wall fantasy. The rule of cool. It's that's not your thing then fine. It's not like this is a mystery.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Perhaps they are waiting for Final Reality. With that, I see myself out.

Nah. You got the spririt.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This game had alot of deaths already, you don't need your main cast die in every expansion. I would actually hate it. Would it have impact? Sure, but for the wrong reasons.


Perhaps they are waiting for Final Reality. With that, I see myself out.

A lot of nameless npc deaths sure, but when you see the plot and lore literally doesn’t apply to the main cast time and time again, it becomes dull. Especially when you have characters that just stand in the background. What did Yshtola do of any huge meaning in Endwalker lol. How can you know it would have impact for the wrong reasons? Look at the end of Endwalker, they all give these huge emotional speeches as they die, however it means nothing because you know they’re going to come back. What’s the point? Them coming back literally undermines one of the main themes of ARR+, of dealing with sacrifice and sacrifice for the greater good. That seems to never apply to the main cast though and they’re always fine in every situation. Somehow, an apocalypse that affected even god-like beings didn’t affect the scions at all. Funny how that works. Also it wouldn’t be every expansion, they already didn’t do it for shadowbringers, they already didn’t do it for stormblood. The last main cast death we had was papalymo in HW lmao.I dont think its a coincedence the most well-received ff games have had some form of main cast deaths. Its also very evident that you need some form of stakes or loss impact in the story otherwise you end up with the mess of Endwalker. Full of asspulls and plot armor all around.