That is the main point most people are missing, at the end of the day Venat chose A solution, that does not mean it is THE ONLY solution.

When people are nigh immortal and thus have almost infinite amount of time, and hold the power of literal creation in their hand, that gives them a ton of time to experiment and perfect any kind of concept. That is the true power of the ancients, a power that is impossible to stop in theory so they needed ancients to have a flaw, the flaw was that due to how powerful they were they never had to deal with suffering and thus a simple tragedy broke them. Now if you were intelligent like many of the convocation they would agree with Venat that this flaw, needed to be fixed by incorporating a degree of controlled suffering as a literal concept they could create to serve such a purpose, and thus the Ancient society would have been improved and become even better. (Though I do feel the initial sacrifices for zodiarc did deserve the chance to experience that new world as well, wonder if it would be possible for people to return to Zodiarc as they complete their role so a previously sacrificed soul can return back)

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And it's not even close. Given a long enough timeline, the rejoinings are a moral imperative.
I completely agree, that the thing is Hydaelyn herself states this, she says the amount of suffering throughout the years was unbearable to watch, and it is understandable.

You go from a society that cares about improvement and making things better, is immortal and has the power of creation to literally sundered individuals who chose their own personal benefit over even an entire country, Uldah being a great example of suffering and greed, if your goal is truly to lessen suffering then clearly you have to agree rejoinings are a good thing.

You cant say you value life and support endless suffering at the same time, this hypocricy was revealed to be the core problem of hermes, when Fandaniel was happy and wanted to return to the star Hermes was angry and sad, his own selfish feelings on the matter were the problem and showed he didnt care about Fandaniel's wishes, only his feelings, as if he wants people to stay alive even if it means suffer so HE doesnt feel bad.


At least hydaelyn had a goal, she used that suffering as a tool to get to the end she planned for, even though I disagree and think there were far better options, it was still a solution to the problem which incorporates and justifies the suffering and I consider that good writing.

After all a good story is meant to be satisfying, not make extreme sense otherwise the bad guys would literally win 90% of the time in fictional stories.

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Did you not stop and think what would happen if they came across negative emotions?" So that sort of implied that it would be a disaster, and nothing they could do would really counteract it.
It was implied that it would be a disaster, even I thought of that when I met meiteion by thinking "Wooh if only she could meet Zenos".

But the fact that the ancients could create such complex entities with stealth abilities etc means they are in control of what they create, you can create an item instead that can control or channel dynamis, you can create a being with a very specific toolset so it is harmless to you and cant be turned against you yet can be used against meiteion.

The possibilities are endless, and that was the true power of the ancients, with enough creativity, time and their power, all problems could be solved.



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they did in fact come up with something that could counter Meteion: Zodiark.
That is false, specifically because Zodiark was not a creation to fight meiteion, it was a creation to solve a problem the ancients were not able to figure out yet, so his function was extremely complex since it wasnt as simple as "just quicken the celestial currents" something which I believe if they knew, it would require far less sacrifices.

Zodiarc instead had the function of understanding the problem the ancients did not and finding a solution to it, which to them obviously looks like a miracle since they never understood the cause of the final days.

But if they did, using their powers they could have found a solution.