You could all transfer to Ragnarok, you know?

[Sylvari]

This post is too full of logic to be on these forums.

That's got to be the most used phrase on these forums lately... xD

Btw love the sig Charmander ftw

Thanks, I thought he was too cute

[Ayamia]

There will be people there. I don't know why people are pushing for it. 11 French shells and 7 German shells confirmed thats where they are going.

This is exactly why I'm staying far, FAR away from Ragnarok and I know I'm not the only one.

[Vackashken]

This is exactly why I'm staying far, FAR away from Ragnarok and I know I'm not the only one.

Well, its (in part) why we're staying away from there but my point was it won't be empty. Thats 18 LSes. Why even have this thread in the first place.

[Biggs]

[troll] You make way to much sense to be allowed to post in the general forum. [/troll]

That said people could camp the app page. I've seen certain servers occasionally pop up as avail. for like a min. ea.

You COULD, but that begs the question: We know that most of the space is being taken by accounts not being used, and we all know there is way more space on these servers than they have it capped at, so why the hell should we have to camp this at all? Day three of it being completely full, what a joke.

Right now, except for Ragnarok, every server is full.
Maybe it will change in the next days, maybe not.
Quite a few Linkshells have a few members on one server and the rest on another server.

Everyone is complaining, but all I ever see is "I'm not moving to Ragnarok, it's for those EU people, eww."
Well, if everyone who wants to leave their server and all those split-up Linkshells moved to Ragnarok though, it wouldn't be an "only-EU" server, you know?
There would be several players from all kinds of timezones to play with and Ragnarok would be a server like any other server

Also, it would open up spaces on other servers, giving more people the chance to actually move to the server the originally wanted to move to, you or your linkshell(as a whole!)as well.
And even if you get the short end of the stick and stay on Ragnarok, it wouldn't be bad because lots of people from your timezone would be stuck on Ragnarok as well

Maybe you won't take me seriously since I'm from Europe and moving to Ragnarok anyways, but at least in my opinion it's a better solution for everyone than being seperated from your friends and LS or staying behind on a server you really wanted to leave

I may just take you up on that. Trying to get myself and 2 friends to Masamune to meet up with our XI peeps has been a joke so far.

You could complain on the forums until SE changes it.

Worked last time. Might work again!

People crying like little girls about something most people know very little about is what got us here to begin with. I shudder to think what a second time would get us. To be fair though, I don't even blame the forums for this one. If SE had told us this was how it would be before just saying ok and doing it, I think a lot of people would have rethought option 4. I dunno, maybe not. I just know the current situation is another awsome example of SE shitting on the heads of the people that support them. This Galka is very bummed.

[Rhylee_Mau]

You COULD, but that begs the question: We know that most of the space is being taken by accounts not being used, and we all know there is way more space on these servers than they have it capped at, so why the hell should we have to camp this at all? Day three of it being completely full, what a joke.

Umm they've already said this before. Inactive accounts are not counted towards the total. They are automatically checking incoming players to each server while manually updating the outgoings so they can keep an eye on the population. While it is inconvenient, around midnight EST on weekdays seem to be the time when all the servers open up.

[SwordCoheir]

You COULD, but that begs the question: We know that most of the space is being taken by accounts not being used, and we all know there is way more space on these servers than they have it capped at, so why the hell should we have to camp this at all? Day three of it being completely full, what a joke.

Aye true, however there is a limit to how many characters can physically be stored on the server inactive or not. And with people having many unused alts, inactive characters, and peeps just waiting on 2.0 they have to compensate for both them and potential newcomers in October. If they didn't take this into consideration when they made their goal numbers for the servers, you run a chance that players would surpass the servers limits and at best newcomers wouldn't be able to join, returning players would either have to move or give up altogether, and alts couldn't be reactivated/created. In a worse case scenario the server crashes, and SE would be forced to temporarily move players to different servers until they could set up another world merge (Which could take months) or potentially eff over inactive players waiting on 2.0 and ditch them on another server.

Another potential scenario is the server would not let more than a set number of people on at a given time, by which you'd be screwing lots of people over because as it is some peeps never log, and others might never log because they think they'll never be able to get back online again. I'd think some might ragequit if they had to wait for hours to just play the game that they're paying for, and I'm sure you'd think its unacceptable if you ended up being one of those people.

In any case it sounds more like you'd be screwing yourself over more than just staying on your original server with your linkshell, or moving over to Ragnarok which relatively empty. I can understand if your originally from a different server and just wanting to move on to a server with your RL friends, but unless it's that it just sounds like folks are being needlessly fickle about moving to Ragnarok.

[Biggs]

Aye true, however there is a limit to how many characters can physically be stored on the server inactive or not. And with people having many unused alts, inactive characters, and peeps just waiting on 2.0 they have to compensate for both them and potential newcomers in October. If they didn't take this into consideration when they made their goal numbers for the servers, you run a chance that players would surpass the servers limits and at best newcomers wouldn't be able to join, returning players would either have to move or give up altogether, and alts couldn't be reactivated/created. In a worse case scenario the server crashes, and SE would be forced to temporarily move players to different servers until they could set up another world merge (Which could take months) or potentially eff over inactive players waiting on 2.0 and ditch them on another server.

Another potential scenario is the server would not let more than a set number of people on at a given time, by which you'd be screwing lots of people over because as it is some peeps never log, and others might never log because they think they'll never be able to get back online again. I'd think some might ragequit if they had to wait for hours to just play the game that they're paying for, and I'm sure you'd think its unacceptable if you ended up being one of those people.

In any case it sounds more like you'd be screwing yourself over more than just staying on your original server with your linkshell, or moving over to Ragnarok which relatively empty. I can understand if your originally from a different server and just wanting to move on to a server with your RL friends, but unless it's that it just sounds like folks are being needlessly fickle about moving to Ragnarok.

I would be way more inclined to be ok with that if not for 2 things: 1, the original system everyone was crying about that got nixed would have had EVERYONE moving to new servers, so we have gone from that to virtually no one getting to move that wants to. And 2, this entire process seems set up for a game that has hundreds of thousands or more players, which, while I would love for that to be the case, isnt anywhere close to what the total population is. Since SE seems hellbent on never telling us that part, I guess thats just speculation on my part. The point is, they claimed this was a merge AND world transfer, and there seems to be very little transfering going on. I check this site 3x's daily and for the last 2 days every server has been full. It doesnt seem like a very good system for people trying to move more than 1 person at a time, and even that seems to take hours if not days to accomplished. Its a crock.

[Biggs]

Umm they've already said this before. Inactive accounts are not counted towards the total. They are automatically checking incoming players to each server while manually updating the outgoings so they can keep an eye on the population. While it is inconvenient, around midnight EST on weekdays seem to be the time when all the servers open up.

I am not sure if that makes this entire situation better or worse, but thats good to know. I missed the part where they said that. Thanks.

[Kinseykinz]

There was NO way for SE to keep everyone happy. However, I really wish they would have considered making and 'application' for everyone wishing to transfer servers. That way even if the servers were 'full' they could see the applications people sent in and manually exchange people across the servers.

The problem with the current system is they kept the numbers so low in order to keep the populations even that they don't even allow for the people who want to leave server A to go to server B room to move so that spots open up on server A so people from maybe server C who wanted to be on it can have them. An application system would allow them to do such transfers. Heck, they could even make a judgement call in some cases: 'Well Ridill is technically full but this ls of 10 would like on it...what's 10 more, lets move them in.'

Also, SE really should have had THREE different basic timezone transfer periods and not just 1. Have a low cap for the First round of folks who could login and switch for Japanese based hours, then put a hold on it until EU primetime and do the same thing. And finally open a 3rd round for the NA playerbase. After that, maybe freeze everything for a day and re-open for the final server caps on EU primetime (esp. since supposedly it's the EU base they are trying most to cater to with the merge). But alas, they didn't have such foresight.

Another thing they could have done is ONLY allowed transfers to Ragnarok first. Now I think people don't want to transfer there because it's never full and they are worried no one will be there to play with. If Ragnarok opened first, it would have freed up more space on ALL the servers and maybe even filled up more/quicker itself.