Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

[Semirhage]

The other thing I will mention is the devs do not create this false expectation that the players carry into every expansion. This is created by the players themselves, and I would even go as far to say the devs make sure to let the players know that encounter design isn't changing. Yet, they will still carry the expectation regardless.

Silly players, expecting to have "fun" while "playing a game". That's a flight of fancy created by the playerbase. The developers know real healers would rather press one button over and over and over again for 80% of an encounter than do something so outlandish as "enjoy playing the game".

[Gemina]

Silly players, expecting to have "fun" while "playing a game". That's a flight of fancy created by the playerbase. The developers know real healers would rather press one button over and over and over again for 80% of an encounter than do something so outlandish as "enjoy playing the game".

When "one button for 80% of the encounter" makes up 80% of the arguments of why healing should be changed, it is indeed a flight of fancy created by the playerbase. They couldn't have been more stern and stagnant to their approach to the healers in FFXIV; yet here you are. Still pining for the change because you somehow know that every healer in this game is suffering and oppressed by their god forsaken one button rotation.

Again, a view about this cannot even be challenged as it is outright blasphemy to even remotely mention that healing can be enjoyable. If your rebuttal for that argument is, "So you enjoy pushing one button 80% of the encounter?" My response to that is, "You bet. Love it!"

Define a "real" healer. Seriously, I want to hear your perspective. If you're implying the devs don't know what one is, I would like to find out. It would also clue me in on how long I've been doing it wrong.

[OtakuSempai]

When "one button for 80% of the encounter" makes up 80% of the arguments of why healing should be changed, it is indeed a flight of fancy created by the playerbase. They couldn't have been more stern and stagnant to their approach to the healers in FFXIV; yet here you are. Still pining for the change because you somehow know that every healer in this game is suffering and oppressed by their god forsaken one button rotation.

Again, a view about this cannot even be challenged as it is outright blasphemy to even remotely mention that healing can be enjoyable. If your rebuttal for that argument is, "So you enjoy pushing one button 80% of the encounter?" My response to that is, "You bet. Love it!"

Define a "real" healer. Seriously, I want to hear your perspective. If you're implying the devs don't know what one is, I would like to find out. It would also clue me in on how long I've been doing it wrong.

So what do you presume people who are not satisfied with the current status quo do, shut up and be quiet because the infallible SE decreed their current "vision" is absolute and should not be questioned? We're all paying customers here, and we all have an equal opportunity to give feedback even if it is opposed what SE wants for the direction of their game.

[Gemina]

So what do you presume people who are not satisfied with the current status quo do, shut up and be quiet because the infallible SE decreed their current "vision" is absolute and should not be questioned? We're all paying customers here, and we all have an equal opportunity to give feedback even if it is opposed what SE wants for the direction of their game.

I presume them to still respect those who don't agree with them. And that if you believe that we are all paying customers, then the opinions and suggestions of those who don't agree are also of value. I'm not telling anyone to shut up other than those who feel the opinions and suggestions that contradict their own have no voice, or attempt to drown it out with echoes and make them feel like they are inferior players. I couldn't agree more that we all have equal opportunity to provide feedback, and I don't observe a whole lot of that here.

The game is not perfect, and healing is no exception to that. There are and always will be ways to improve. When I say the devs are adamant about the direction they have taken healing, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. It is the truth, and people HATE to hear the truth. There isn't anything we can do about that. If healing isn't for you as a result of that decision from the dev team, then perhaps it is time to stop trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole. Again, I know people don't want to hear that. They only want to hear what they agree with. And there are a certain group of people who just want to hear that healing sucks.

Well, I am here saying that there are things wrong with it, absolutely. But it doesn't suck, and there are a lot of things about it that I enjoy. If I didn't enjoy it, then WTF would I play it? I don't enjoy tanking, and you won't see me trying to force feed it down my own throat.

[OtakuSempai]

I presume them to still respect those who don't agree with them. And that if you believe that we are all paying customers, then the opinions and suggestions of those who don't agree are also of value. I'm not telling anyone to shut up other than those who feel the opinions and suggestions that contradict their own have no voice, or attempt to drown it out with echoes and make them feel like they are inferior players. I couldn't agree more that we all have equal opportunity to provide feedback, and I don't observe a whole lot of that here.

The game is not perfect, and healing is no exception to that. There are and always will be ways to improve. When I say the devs are adamant about the direction they have taken healing, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. It is the truth, and people HATE to hear the truth. There isn't anything we can do about that. If healing isn't for you as a result of that decision from the dev team, then perhaps it is time to stop trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole. Again, I know people don't want to hear that. They only want to hear what they agree with. And there are a certain group of people who just want to hear that healing sucks.

Well, I am here saying that there are things wrong with it, absolutely. But it doesn't suck, and there are a lot of things about it that I enjoy. If I didn't enjoy it, then WTF would I play it? I don't enjoy tanking, and you won't see me trying to force feed it down my own throat.

I am well aware of their insistence on their current design for healers. If they weren't, we wouldn't have the same healing paradigm again for this current expansion. I'm not debating this.

I really don't understand why we need to explain why some of us are here giving our thoughts on why we disagree with their design decisions. Of course I'm aware it will probably fall on deaf ears. I'm here because I love this game and used to love even more how it used to play. I couldn't just sit back for another 2 years of this design and not give my thoughts on it.

I would really like to know if you think the current design is fine the way it is and doesn't need to change. I would like to know if you think the optimal way of playing healers, spamming 1 nuke most of the time, is good design and not warranted of complaints. I would like to know if you think tanks and dps being able to sustain themselves through most of the content now without healers is good design. This talking in circles about why our opinions aren't valid because its futile and other people exist who disagree, isn't productive and isn't addressing any of the points of this conversation.

[CrimsonGunner]

I am well aware of their insistence on their current design for healers. If they weren't, we wouldn't have the same healing paradigm again for this current expansion. I'm not debating this.

I really don't understand why we need to explain why some of us are here giving our thoughts on why we disagree with their design decisions. Of course I'm aware it will probably fall on deaf ears. I'm here because I love this game and used to love even more how it used to play. I couldn't just sit back for another 2 years of this design and not give my thoughts on it.

I would really like to know if you think the current design is fine the way it is and doesn't need to change. I would like to know if you think the optimal way of playing healers, spamming 1 nuke most of the time, is good design and not warranted of complaints. I would like to know if you think tanks and dps being able to sustain themselves through most of the content now without healers is good design. This talking in circles about why our opinions aren't valid because its futile and other people exist who disagree, isn't productive and isn't addressing any of the points of this conversation.

100% agree and here to answer the sad mentality of SE thoguhts probably.

dps and tanks clearing content without healers is considered "good" design cause it puts less stress on the healer but in fact its the reason it will kill the healer role in general cause who will even need healer, and if your answer is big pulls then let me remind again ,big pulls are not part of dungeon designs so basically there is no excuse for such design.

nuking 1 button is "good design" cause healers with more then 1 button (and less then half a brain) will be too distracted in that extra button to actually heal so lets make it while in truth healers will always prioritize healing and the sadly the "heal only" players wont even bother to press more then 1 button be it dps/a different heal button all together to actually try and contribute and lastly cause the dev's have their heads stuck where the sun don't shine and believe it actually something a normal human will like or maybe its actually design for bots to use.

why having carbon copies of the same healing spell is "good" cause no thoughts needed which is why its the most bad thing u can do and why make same carbon copy bad for one job and good for another is "good" cause it shows "diversity" while the sad truth it shows lack of caring and pushes more to abandon one job entirely especially with their new "shield/pure" healer meta being implemented in EW

in conclusion SE can't design healers period.

[Sebazy]

When "one button for 80% of the encounter" makes up 80% of the arguments of why healing should be changed, it is indeed a flight of fancy created by the playerbase. They couldn't have been more stern and stagnant to their approach to the healers in FFXIV; yet here you are. Still pining for the change because you somehow know that every healer in this game is suffering and oppressed by their god forsaken one button rotation.

Again, a view about this cannot even be challenged as it is outright blasphemy to even remotely mention that healing can be enjoyable. If your rebuttal for that argument is, "So you enjoy pushing one button 80% of the encounter?" My response to that is, "You bet. Love it!"

Define a "real" healer. Seriously, I want to hear your perspective. If you're implying the devs don't know what one is, I would like to find out. It would also clue me in on how long I've been doing it wrong.

I can heal any content you do with 2 buttons. Dungeons I suspect I could do it with 1.

Taken in isolation our kit is ‘fine’

Taken in isolation the content is ‘fine’

But they are world apart from each other.