Yeah guys. 1 month free time is going to have to happen

[Haseno]

Meanwhile, attempts to use government to pass laws that violate liberty. Oh yes, try and tell me my haves and haves not. Tell me, do you keep your pinky out while you sip on your drink, as you attempt to grandstand?

Some people believe such laws serve to protect the liberties of others from aggressors . Your perspective is only one of them. And yes, I am use to being the smartest person in the room, and hated for it. Libertarians excel in that regard.

[Velnora]

Some people believe such laws serve to protect the liberties of others from aggressors . Your perspective is only one of them. And yes, I am use to being the smartest person in the room, and hated for it. Libertarians excel in that regard.

"Some people believe such laws serve to protect the liberties of others from aggressors". Which again, lack principle. Laws are an opinion with a gun. So, by attempting to pass said laws, you are attempting to push your opinion onto others by force.

"And yes, I am use to being the smartest person in the room, and hated for it. Libertarians excel in that regard" Oh, lord. Lmfao.

[Haseno]

"Some people believe such laws serve to protect the liberties of others from aggressors". Which again, lack principle. Laws are an opinion with a gun. So, by attempting to pass said laws, you are attempting to push your opinion onto others by force.

"And yes, I am use to being the smartest person in the room, and hated for it. Libertarians excel in that regard" Oh, lord. Lmfao.

Not all libertarians are anarchists. Some are minarchists who believe that the role of government is to protect natural rights. Which is what the US is founded upon. One of those rights being the natural right to life. Thus, laws which criminalize the taking of innocent life would be permissible under libertarianism, but not necessarily under anarchist thought.

Your knowledge of libertarians, and libertarianism, and liberty as a whole is surface level at best

[Velnora]

Not all libertarians are anarchists. Some are minarchists who believe that the role of government is to protect natural rights. Which is what the US is founded upon. One of those rights being the natural right to life. Thus, laws which criminalize the taking of innocent life would be permissible under libertarianism, but not necessarily under anarchist thought.

Your knowledge of libertarians, and libertarianism, and liberty as a whole is surface level at best

Right. They are anarchists-Lite. Anarchists actually have principle. It comes as no surprise many libertarians come off as the biggest bootlickers. This doesn't even entail the complete lack of scientific ignorance.

[Haseno]

Right. They are anarchists-Lite. This doesn't even entail the complete lack of scientific ignorance.

There's no such thing as anarchist-lite.

Only libertarians who want to abolish the state entirely, or reduce it to a very small scale so it doesn't have the power it has today.

Also, libertarians believe force is justified in defense of the natural rights of the innocent from aggressors. Hence why we follow the non-aggression principle, which is a core moral principle of liberty.

[Velnora]

There's no such thing as anarchist-lite.

Only libertarians who want to abolish the state entirely, or reduce it to a very small scale so it doesn't have the power it has today.

Also, libertarians believe force is justified in defense of the natural rights of the innocent from aggressors. Hence why we follow the non-aggression principle, which is a core moral principle of liberty.

A cop pulling someone over for speeding, or forgetting to use their turn signal, isn't defending the natural right of others. The NAP? Lmfao, that directly contradicts you.

[Haseno]

A cop pulling someone over for speeding, or forgetting to use their turn signal, isn't defending the natural right of others. The NAP? Lmfao, that directly contradicts you.

Bad analogy. A cop pulling over someone and extorting them would be a NAP violation. A victimless crime cannot be a crime.

[SieyaM]

Not all libertarians are anarchists. Some are minarchists who believe that the role of government is to protect natural rights. Which is what the US is founded upon. One of those rights being the natural right to life. Thus, laws which criminalize the taking of innocent life would be permissible under libertarianism, but not necessarily under anarchist thought.

Your knowledge of libertarians, and libertarianism, and liberty as a whole is surface level at best

Yet for all of the intellect you two see to have neither of you seem to know how to keep things on topic or when to cease an argument because nothing will be gained.

[Haseno]

Yet for all of the intellect you two see to have neither of you seem to know how to keep things on topic or when to cease an argument because nothing will be gained.

People comment, and I respond. The natural evolution of free speech.