New summoner is unacceptable

[SieyaM]

So for everyone who says if you didn't like the job before then you didn't have to play it, follow your own advice. Really now people have been telling healers for years that they don't have to heal if they don't like it but now that it's a DPS job that is over simplified I guess it's a real problem.

[Lloyd777]

Just found this post and seems just like a bunch of people whinning about how others people should not have fun with the class if they don't have fun with it.

[Chocobits]

Anything that upsets the status quo (read that as the elite) is probably a good thing, and good for the game. If they are complaining, you know that the dev team is doing a great job! The general census is that this thread is less about constructive feedback on the changes, and more "I'm not having fun, so you shouldn't be either! Harumph!"

[Rolder50]

Anything that upsets the status quo (read that as the elite) is probably a good thing, and good for the game. If they are complaining, you know that the dev team is doing a great job! The general census is that this thread is less about constructive feedback on the changes, and more "I'm not having fun, so you shouldn't be either! Harumph!"

Nah, people are upset because some enjoy playstyles that have a bit of depth and a higher skill ceiling to work towards. But, SE keeps removing this depth and offering nothing in return. It was Machinist last expansion, and this expansion it's Summoner.

[Inosaska]

I'm enjoying summoner very much after the changes and look forward to the additions they will be adding to it in the future.

[Escalon]

Hoooooolyyyyyy F, this thread is still going ? Time to put some cinder under it!

I really dislike the changes and you like them. Good to know both our stances so lets move on.

By the way

Dont leave your Lalas out after dark in Limsa, strange things happen in that place!

[Riusvell]

Nah, people are upset because some enjoy playstyles that have a bit of depth and a higher skill ceiling to work towards. But, SE keeps removing this depth and offering nothing in return. It was Machinist last expansion, and this expansion it's Summoner.

I like how they actually say no constructive feedback is being given while there's been plenty of it in the thread.

Been giving reasons to why it doesn't feel good or fun at some parts, why there's a disconnect and more. So yeah, there's actual feedback in the thread.

If you don't agree with such things, fine. But don't go drown people with feedback and legitimate concerns out because "I enjoy it" because it's honestly unnecessary.

[Limecat]

The biggest thing that jumps out about this new version of SMN is that it feels like they didn't quite want to commit 100% to the new direction. Like, Painflare/Fester/Energy Drain should have just been removed, and replaced with the attunement charges. Adjust the attunement potencies a bit to account for the loss of the two OGCD hits. Since carby is now a thing again, they should also give him a stripped-down lower potency version of DWT very early on, so the removal of that mechanic in synced content is no longer a thing.

[Rin_Kuroi]

I ran about 5 dungeons over the last hour or two. It really is the GCD on the summons and facing requirement that makes them feel so poopy. Since the attacks are tied to the summon and not us when the button is pressed it feels like nothing happens, at least not right away. It takes a few seconds for the summon to appear and make its attack. All the while we're stuck doing nothing on a GCD. It's just carbunle and I staring at each other. Summoning should feel cooler than that. It should be BAM! BOOM! Something awesome happens. Maybe it will feel that way at 90 when our summons are full primals but the mechanics don't support it well.

Also, I'm getting used to Gemshine and Precious Brilliance being separate abilities from Outburst/Ruin. I was at first confused why they didn't just replace Outburst/Ruin like when Bahhamut/Phoenix are summoned. It's so you can manage the number of attunements you currently have. While not massively complicated it will be a rotation consideration. I can see the abilities definitely being useful during phase transitions or heavy movement parts of a fight.

Finally, holy jesus tap dancing monkey christ summoner is bad at level 50. Aethercharge doesn't make Outburst/Ruin instant cast like Bahamut/Phoenix do. Also, Outburst/Ruin have a ~1.5s cast time and a ~2.5 recast time. It feels so bad to use.

[SomeRandomHuman]

While I will concede its simplicity makes it feel unfinished, I still think it's a big step in the right direction. MCH's rework was something of a legendry feat and expecting SMN's rework to be the same was putting the bar a little too high.

Going forward I think SMN will get more flushed out and that this is just the start of an overall great transition for the job.