Endwalker Housing Update

[Divinemights]

And thinking that every single spot will have 1000 and more applicants is exact the same "bad math"..

This has nothing to do with mathematic. This is called forecasting where players is trying to obtain best estimate of future results and the most-likely scenario assumptions.
You can challenge against the idea of each house owner will be potential relocators to participate in this lottery, but you can't accuse this is "bad math" because you too are also forecasting that "not every house owner will be potential relocators.
Yet, the this fact still remains true, instead of being current 1:20 to get a house it will be 1:XX and this number will only be larger; therefore, the chance of you getting a house will be considerably lowered.

This is not a system will have some laughable "bad luck proof" mechanic because it is a limited resource.
Currently it is still remain true that a lot of players will start criticizing this lottery system the same way they criticizing demolish timer (a lot of them were supporters)

[Rathmir]

This has nothing to do with mathematic. This is called forecasting where players is trying to obtain best estimate of future results and the most-likely scenario assumptions.
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Currently it is still remain true that a lot of players will start criticizing this lottery system the same way they criticizing demolish timer (a lot of them were supporters)

At least someone admits, that it's like forecasting weather by throwing bones, taking 10 of them away and tell results from the rest.
Late edit: Sure, goes for both sides, to be fully fair.
Of course, it might be really heavy after the Ishard plots are gone. But as said: Nobody really has 100% solid numbers for now how big the real demand is.
How many people want to relocate, how many new people want a house at all, and so on.

And sure, plenty of people will have their chance lowered, others are not too different with just being passers-by clickers.

For telling that a lot of people will curse the lottery system... for that you don't need to be a medium.
As said: Reloc was fine, but isn't really at the moment. The timer in today's form with that big range is total nonesense.

Lottery might be a way to get the needed numbers, as everyone who's interested in housing might still apply. Then Squaresoft needs to take serious actions, and no half hearted ones like so far (including this discussed one(s) here), if they want to keep up with the ward system.

Wouldn't mind a half-instanced ward system, where everyone can just take their fav. plot, maybe click their neighbours from the plot's pools for their liking. So nobody would give anything about relocators or accounts with multiple houses, and what not seen, at all.

But every possible way to solve the issue costs time and money, and no idea how much of both Square is willing to invest.

Edit: To be honest, my faith with Square and that are not the highest. Sure, they could drop 12 more wards per style again. But give it a few months, and the topic comes up once more. As long as the actual system stays, and the player counts are high, nothing will change for longer.

[Divinemights]

At least someone admits, that it's like forecasting weather by throwing bones, taking 10 of them away and tell results from the rest.
Late edit: Sure, goes for both sides, to be fully fair.

You are just repackaging the same ideas.
This is whole reason why people are "forecasting" because no one has the correct numbers on demand, including SE.
Forecasting is business practices "attempting" to estimate the demand.
Of course you can forecasting differently than us but it certainly doesn't mean you are correct either.

Take a guess, who in this game has most man power and gils available to bid on all open plots once Ishard plots are occupied?
It will never be those large FC and it will always be RMT with army of characters and gil bank.
Japanese side is already expecting RMT to gain control over most of empty plots
I just don't know why there are so many NA is so optimistic about this lottery system at all.

[SanadaX]

I just don't know why there are so many NA is so optimistic about this lottery system at all.

Because it is freshly wrapped donkey nards. Like I was telling the other guy, people feel like they have a real chance! Once you take the wrapping off you realize everyone has been funneled into the worst part of the housing which is "May the odds be ever in your favor" placard clicking. Lottery has it worse because people are going to just drop the money and go back to questing or what have you.. and with the increase of players across every server... Better chances winning the cactpot... Salt mines finna pop.

[Illmaeran]

Because it is freshly wrapped donkey nards.

LOL, I haven't seen/heard nards in forever. Thank you for the trip down memory lane.


This may not be a popular opinion, but I'm just fine with the lottery/raffle mechanism. I gave placard camping a serious go a few times and said "stuff it" when relocators took them after many hours of clicking. I haven't had a house since Stormblood released and have found that not having one hasn't significantly reduced my enjoyment of the game. Yeah, it would be nice to have for all the reasons they're nice to have, but an apartment scratches the majority of those itches.

I get the strong desire to have a house among first-time buyers; I was incredibly excited to get my house and spend All. The. Hours. And. Gil. decorating it just right. Having a private place to chill and craft in was awesome, no doubt about it. Even though it was purely cosmetic and didn't impact core gameplay, having my own tiny space in Eorzea was cool and got me invested in the story and world more than I was previously since I was now an inhabitant and not just a gamer moving an avatar around.

After losing that house, getting another one and losing that too, then getting an apartment, the luster's worn off and having a stand-alone house isn't as exciting any longer. Having the option to toss a ticket in the pot, get on with my life, and "if I get it, great, if not, no worries" will work just fine for me. If I don't get one, I've still got my apartment and eventually an Island Sanctuary to derp around with.

[Jojoya]

This may not be a popular opinion, but I'm just fine with the lottery/raffle mechanism. I gave placard camping a serious go a few times and said "stuff it" when relocators took them after many hours of clicking. I haven't had a house since Stormblood released and have found that not having one hasn't significantly reduced my enjoyment of the game. Yeah, it would be nice to have for all the reasons they're nice to have, but an apartment scratches the majority of those itches.

My big complaint is they're just changing the "flavor" of RNG that controls the limited access to houses instead of addressing the access to houses. It should have been clear to them when houses first sold out on most worlds back at the end of Heavensward that the ward system would never be able to keep up with demand as the player base grew. That was almost 5 years ago. Certainly I know that development of systems in MMOs can be very time consuming but they already had the backbone of a housing system in place to work from. We should be seeing more at this point than just "here, have a lottery".

The changes at least make it more difficult to flip houses but they won't prevent it unless they make the new member period an excessively long period of time (like 6 months or more) and I don't see them doing that because it could cause problems for new but legitimate FCs starting out if the FC leader has a real life emergency. They may have been better off setting a waiting period for new FCs to purchase a house since getting to rank 6 for the purchase entitlement can be done in a few hours. Not that I disagree with the new member period in general - that will be a help when it comes to FC theft due to account compromise if SE can't get the rank permissions straightened out.

[Dewslam]

I just don't know why there are so many NA is so optimistic about this lottery system at all.

Honestly everyone I know is only excited about it because it just takes out the hours of manual time investment. No more having to sit there and click at the placard only to lose it to a bot or relocator. Instead, now you can actually play the game and then the lottery will inform you you've lost it to a bot or relocator.

[Divinemights]

Honestly everyone I know is only excited about it because it just takes out the hours of manual time investment. No more having to sit there and click at the placard only to lose it to a bot or relocator. Instead, now you can actually play the game and then the lottery will inform you you've lost it to a bot or relocator.

It is fine, and honestly this actually give me a shot for switch from Medium to Mansion plot.
There must be a lot Mansion size plot empty after Ishard release and I have spare gils to make few bids.