On the subject of keepig the peace (The Grand Hunt)

[Jojoya]

I don't care what you guys have to say any more. You made your beds, you go lie in them. Just don't complain to anyone ever if you have a troll on your data center destroying your hunt marks or I'll remind you of what you've posted here. I can't wait to see how 6.0 messes your data centers up.

Can't speak for your data center but we work to make everyone aware of what SE does and does not allow when it comes to the Hunt, and ask hunters to remember that it's okay to approach the content in different ways. SE has given us just two restrictions - hunts may not be used for MPK and they may not be intentionally reset once pulled. For the most part we get along pretty well though we've got the occasional drama from a few individuals. They're not trolling (trolls would be false reporting relays) but they don't care about the rest of the hunt community and we learned to work around their presence.

I'm expecting things to be the same mess they were in at the start of Shadowbringers when all the raiders started spamming hunts for tomestones and materia for Savage release. Hunts are way too lucrative now, especially with cross world access, and a lot of players don't remember what Shadowbringers launch was like (assuming they were even hunting at the time). We're going to have one advantage in Endwalker - clear channels of communication within the data center that we were still in the process of organizing when Shadowbringers was launched plus over two years of experience of working together.

Early pulls on EW hunts will not matter because nothing will be dying that fast. People forget that we'll be back to minimum ilvl for the new hunts and that S ranks will take several minutes to kill instead of 1-2 (especially while people are learning the new mechanics), and hunt trains will take up to two hours depending on how many instances are covered. If you miss out on a kill, it's because you waited instead of dropping what you were doing.

HW S ranks will start having the same problem that ARR S ranks had this expansion unless SE has made changes to the Hunt (doubtful) but that's immaterial when there are still 3 other expansions of S ranks to kill. You don't need ARR and HW S ranks to get your Thrillseeker titles and mounts. Skip those and focus on the others. If you specifically want the ARR and HW S ranks for some reason, be the one doing the spawning instead of expecting others to do the work then waiting on you for your benefit.

We're happy with our bed for the most part because we've learned to adjust and accommodate. How well are you going to sleep on your rocky platform because you won't?

[Dewslam]

I don't care what you guys have to say any more. You made your beds, you go lie in them. Just don't complain to anyone ever if you have a troll on your data center destroying your hunt marks or I'll remind you of what you've posted here. I can't wait to see how 6.0 messes your data centers up.

The only people who "mess data centers up" are the hunt trains who render entire zones unplayable and act like they get to be the sole arbitrators of what is and isn't allowed for content that has pretty clear set rules and cause no end of drama over that by attempting to bully and blacklist individuals who don't play the same way they do.

[Jojoya]

The only people who "mess data centers up" are the hunt trains who render entire zones unplayable and act like they get to be the sole arbitrators of what is and isn't allowed for content that has pretty clear set rules and cause no end of drama over that by attempting to bully and blacklist individuals who don't play the same way they do.

I have yet to see a hunt train render an entire zone unplayable. Part of the reason for the zone population limits is to keep that from happening. Players in a different part of the zone might have a little additional lag while the train passes through (which I experienced while leveling alts not ready for trains yet) but it's never to the point of making a zone unplayable and the train is usually gone within 5 minutes.

I will admit that there are rather vocal players in the community who feel everything should be left for train. Most of us who organize the trains for Crystal do our best to educate them that free hunting is perfectly fine. Free hunters rarely get so many marks that a train won't be worthwhile for the rest (you're on one of the two worlds in the data center where that does happen on a regular basis). People shouldn't get upset when free hunters get to 3 or 4 before the train. The train will still have 8 or 9 to kill, more than enough to make it worthwhile.

If you find someone harassing you over free hunting, report then blacklist them. You're not doing anything wrong.

But neither are the trains. Free hunts and trains can co-exist successfully.

[MilkieTea]

I have yet to see a hunt train render an entire zone unplayable. Part of the reason for the zone population limits is to keep that from happening. Players in a different part of the zone might have a little additional lag while the train passes through (which I experienced while leveling alts not ready for trains yet) but it's never to the point of making a zone unplayable and the train is usually gone within 5 minutes.

I will admit that there are rather vocal players in the community who feel everything should be left for train. Most of us who organize the trains for Crystal do our best to educate them that free hunting is perfectly fine. Free hunters rarely get so many marks that a train won't be worthwhile for the rest (you're on one of the two worlds in the data center where that does happen on a regular basis). People shouldn't get upset when free hunters get to 3 or 4 before the train. The train will still have 8 or 9 to kill, more than enough to make it worthwhile.

If you find someone harassing you over free hunting, report then blacklist them. You're not doing anything wrong.

But neither are the trains. Free hunts and trains can co-exist successfully.

I don't even hunt and this is pretty much my thought process - free hunters are always going to exist, same with hunt trains. They should be able to coexist peacefully.

[KageTokage]

Another expansion has finally arrived and lamentably nothing has changed regarding the hunts.

The fact that Endwalker still uses nuts is inevitably going to just end up creating more tension with how insanely quickly the Shadowbringers hunts are going to get melted.

They desperately need to implement some kind of buffer period to allow normal players a reasonable amount of time to get to S ranks before the hunt radar mobs melt them. There will always be a significant interest in the older S ranks as long as they drop as much poetics and whatever the mid-tier tomestone of the current expansion is.

[Justuas]

Well the situation on Light is this - we have 1 particular player that anyone on Light will immediately know who I'm talking about because he early pulls everything including ones he didn't even spawn and he'll solo kill the lower level ones before anyone else arrives. He then trolls the entire zone by making snarky comments in shout such as "time for everyone to start crying" so he knows what he's doing and is being spiteful about it. We've reported him time and time again but despite outlining his behaviour all we get is "engaging an unengaged hunt mark isn't a violation" and it's really putting me off the game altogether when the GMs will do NOTHING to intervene. Honestly what was the point in the change in the prohibited activities when it doesn't cover players being a disruption to an entire community of THOUSANDS of players and then provoking them afterwards? He's doing it every single day. Is there really nothing we can do to put a clamp on this guys' behaviour?

The Hunt is and always has been, a free for all. There are no "rules" for hunts. Anyone is free to do anything they want upon finding one.

The drama is stemming from player imposed "societal rules" which were not intended as quote/unquote "proper hunt behavior" by the devs.

This is something the community came up with itself. There is no way to enforce this type of community driven behavior because it is not sanctioned officially.

As such people not conforming to these "rules" are of course going to rub people the wrong way.

But that is not up to the devs to police nor should they have to or be compelled to change the rules of S Rank makeup and behavior to kowtow to any one principle.

IIRC it's not forbidden to grief the whole DC by despawning Forgiven Gossips.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Being-Punished

[KageTokage]

Seeing that post reminded me that there's most likely going to be a new SS rank hunt mob in Endwalker and I really, REALLY hope they realized how poorly designed the whole minion system was and either fixed it or switched to something else entirely.

The people who instigated that whole thing are still around, so I pray they've grown up since then...

[Jojoya]

IIRC it's not forbidden to grief the whole DC by despawning Forgiven Gossips.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Being-Punished

It is against the ToS to intentionally despawn them. The problem is whether the GMs feel they have enough proof that it was intentional by the player reported, just as they need some sort of evidence that someone resetting a hunt was doing it intentionally.

Still, think most of us are hoping the the new SS for EW will be designed to prevent that sort of griefing.

The people who instigated that whole thing are still around, so I pray they've grown up since then...

Probably not. Usually they just get bored and go do other things until something new comes along that they can screw up for others. We've had a few of our trolls reappear in the last couple of weeks after long absences.

We coped before, we'll cope again. People just need to remember that hunts are not one time only. They do respawn even if it means waiting a few days. There's always next time if you miss out.

[Mandudez]

Seeing that post reminded me that there's most likely going to be a new SS rank hunt mob in Endwalker and I really, REALLY hope they realized how poorly designed the whole minion system was and either fixed it or switched to something else entirely.

The people who instigated that whole thing are still around, so I pray they've grown up since then...

The SS minion system appears to be the exact same.

[Besame]

Peoples reluctance to accept the fact that mobs, being hunts or otherwise, are open world content and free to anyone who wants it are the strange ones.
If anything, over-including people is hurting local communities. I've missed big fish windows because I couldn't zone into the area I needed thanks to 6 servers worth of players all huddled into The Tempest for an S rank. We need to STOP waiting for everyone and their grandma to make a new account to come get these hunts. Sure, have some community gathering for them but we don't need literally as many people as you can pack in.
It goes beyond just filling a zone instance too. Sometimes people have stuff to do and waiting 15 minutes just isn't cool with them. There's enough people so they pull, but hold up people were still on their way! So some "hero" of a tank tries to gain top enmity to pull the mob away and reset them, in hopes more people can get rewards. But all this does is negate all efforts current people have put towards the fight and is literally griefing by orders of GM moderation.

So not only do I disagree with your plight to get people to stop "pulling before you are personally ready" (the term "early pulling" isn't real), I will swing the other way and urge people to reconsider and just ...pull the dang thing as soon as you think enough has gathered. There'll always be other S ranks for people in the future.

I was in the new EW hunt train on my server and a few times people had the nerve to ask other regular questers to leave due to the horrid congestion in the instances. My jaw dropped and I lol'd. Amazing, entitled much? lmao Side note: the hunts I did yesterday died really fast so early pullers are an issue with so many people on those new bosses.