Baffling behavior

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Lets be clear once more: Even Shiva Savage dont melt the tank with the speed the OP discribes. Conclusion: he isnt telling the truth or he was undergeared - nothing else is possible.

Out of curiosity, I actually tried to do a little test going into Castrum Abania with minimum iLv setting. That syncs me down to ilv260 with 34,336 max HP. Probably not the same as OP's iLv at the time of mess, but I pulled the first 3 mobs anyway and just observed:

• The smaller mob hits for like 2.4k - 2.7k, not accounting parries nor criticals. After 2 or 3 GCD they cast a self damage buff that ramps up their auto attacks up to 3.5k per hit.
• The bigger, ape like mob hits for about 3.4k - 3.7k per hit. Seen a few crits that went up to 5.2k but they're quite rare. They also have a mini, instant tankbuster that deals about 7.5k.
• I also spam my own AoE rotation to keep track how much GCD passed for each attempt. The result, I never lived past 5th GCD without counting first Lightning Shot pull. I'm "lucky" enough if I can get off the 6th GCD, at all.
• The last few attempts I did before quit, I just ran past the first 3 mobs and went straight to the 2nd pack to aggro them. This time I did not lived past through 3rd GCD (if I see crit or tankbuster connects) or 4th GCD.

All of that done without pressing any cooldowns. Makes me wonder how lower can the game let people que into the duty, iLv wise.

[Banriikku]

I tried Badrams Meddle on purpose with only so much gear to get in aka i cheesed the ilvl (or "the naked trail for healers" keep me alive for a spot in the static llul<- this is a joke). I did this with friends and they did know what i was doing. And i can tell you the mobs shred you hard, i had almost less hp then our healer and got hit by everything like a truck... on a cargo ship! As we progessed through this "fun little experiment" i could never pull more then 1 group and even said group spanked me hard. As is geared my tank normal min ilvl and a little bit above ....: Oh wonder i didnt die in seconds. The mobs are hitting hard on min ilvl but not enough for the "i was dead in 3 seconds and could not press any buttons" phenomenon the OP discribes.

[Kraniel]

All he did was vent a little frustration like we all do at times. Rather right or wrong, you vets are being so nasty and cruel. Leave this guy alone and let him have fun and learn.

You vets should all be ashamed.

Ashamed for what exactly ?

Putting someone toxic back in their place ?

Nothing personal here SweetPete, i don't know you and i'm sure you're just trying to be nice to OP because they're a new player, and all that.
But i personally stand behind my words and those of the other "nasty and cruel" vets.

No one cares that OP is bad at the game and doesn't understand it yet. We've all been there and it's only a matter of time until they catch up and get better. We're not here to bully newbies.
The reason they're being lashed out at is because of their trashy attitude.

Polluting the forums with a worthless thread, only to complain about your team, when you're bad at the game yourself, is just pitiful.
Not only that, but OP somehow seems to think they're above all the vets that are pointing out their possible mistakes.
And the cherry on top is of course the final mental gymnastic act that we've all been able to witness in these last pages, where OP, transcending space and time, "totally over it", above everything, unified with the universe itself, proceed to dig up their dead thread and act like a confused teenager for 4 pages straight.

So nah, i'm not getting behind that type of person anytime soon, sorry. And i'm glad to see that the FFXIV community is nice, but still lucid enough to send newbies off when they're toxic.

[Izscha]

Ashamed for what exactly ?

Putting someone toxic back in their place ?

Nothing personal here SweetPete, i don't know you and i'm sure you're just trying to be nice to OP because they're a new player, and all that.
But i personally stand behind my words and those of the other "nasty and cruel" vets.

No one cares that OP is bad at the game and doesn't understand it yet. We've all been there and it's only a matter of time until they catch up and get better. We're not here to bully newbies.
The reason they're being lashed out at is because of their trashy attitude.

Polluting the forums with a worthless thread, only to complain about your team, when you're bad at the game yourself, is just pitiful.
Not only that, but OP somehow seems to think they're above all the vets that are pointing out their possible mistakes.
And the cherry on top is of course the final mental gymnastic act that we've all been able to witness in these last pages, where OP, transcending space and time, "totally over it", above everything, unified with the universe itself, proceed to dig up their dead thread and act like a confused teenager for 4 pages straight.

So nah, i'm not getting behind that type of person anytime soon, sorry. And i'm glad to see that the FFXIV community is nice, but still lucid enough to send newbies off when they're toxic.

He's not new, he got several lvl 80 jobs before doing this one. It was his first tank tho.

[Kraniel]

He's not new, he got several lvl 80 jobs before doing this one.

Wait ... so you mean to tell me that actually, OP knowingly goes into dungeons undergeared and complains about their healer struggling to keep them up ?
Now that's a dick move if i've ever seen one.
Dare i even say, "Baffling behavior" !

[lisaa]

Unfortunately the pressure for healers to deal damage can lead to these kinds of things happening, that is why i advocate for removing healer dps in the healer forum.

A lot of players are only used to outgearing content and so they are unprepared for at level content but 3 gcd is plently of time to heal. I know op said 2-3 seconds but people are bad at judging time under pressure. Min ilvl is totally fine for gear. That is the required gear level after all. Wall pulls in ShB can kill in 2 gcds without mitigation yet people still can wall pull so 3 gcd is plenty of time.

It's hard to really blame anyone here since we encourage and normalize healers playing like this. It's just an unfortunate consequence of healer dps.

[Sesera]

Min ilvl is totally fine for gear. That is the required gear level after all.

Min ilvl means nothing a level 80 can unequip all their gear except weapon and get enough ilvl to enter ARR 24 man raid or at least LotA. I'm sure that person will perform as good as someone with the same ilvl with full gear.

getting for exemple ilvl 100 head/chest/hand etc and 400 accessories is way different than having 400 head/chest/hand etc and 100 accessories.

[Rinhi]

Unfortunately the pressure for healers to deal damage can lead to these kinds of things happening, that is why i advocate for removing healer dps in the healer forum.

A lot of players are only used to outgearing content and so they are unprepared for at level content but 3 gcd is plently of time to heal. I know op said 2-3 seconds but people are bad at judging time under pressure. Min ilvl is totally fine for gear. That is the required gear level after all. Wall pulls in ShB can kill in 2 gcds without mitigation yet people still can wall pull so 3 gcd is plenty of time.

It's hard to really blame anyone here since we encourage and normalize healers playing like this. It's just an unfortunate consequence of healer dps.

here's your (you), please go troll somewhere else

[lisaa]

Min ilvl means nothing a level 80 can unequip all their gear except weapon and get enough ilvl to enter ARR 24 man raid or at least LotA. I'm sure that person will perform as good as someone with the same ilvl with full gear.

getting for exemple ilvl 100 head/chest/hand etc and 400 accessories is way different than having 400 head/chest/hand etc and 100 accessories.

I don't even check tank gear so idk. Like its just never been an issue? Considering you can heal through stormblood dungeons even as three people without a tank, I think blaming gear and kicking someone is pretty lame. Especially after they listen and try to wall pull which i think is great. Now this person might be even more reluctant to wall pull in the future.

[Lexis]

I don't even check tank gear so idk. Like its just never been an issue? Considering you can heal through stormblood dungeons even as three people without a tank, I think blaming gear and kicking someone is pretty lame. Especially after they listen and try to wall pull which i think is great. Now this person might be even more reluctant to wall pull in the future.

I've repeated this so many times, words are starting to lose their meaning at this point. Here's an abridged version:

1. OP queued for content they did not even have the Ilvl for by cheesing the system and equipping DPS and healer accessories.

2. OP did NOT wall-to-wall pull, they died to single pulls of 3 mobs (by their own admission) due to their HP absolutely melting (their own admission again) and not using a single mitigation ability to help the healer out (yep, admitted to that one too).

3. OP then decided the best course of action was to berate the healer for not managing to keep their SEVERLY UNDERGEARED and NON-CD USING self alive.