Fran and Mjrn's hairstyles please?

[SherlottaEryut]

I still think race and gender locking is stupid and should die in a fire. Please don't act like everyone who is against race/gender locking stuff is not a "true FF fan" - it makes you come off as incredibly obnoxious.

Where did I say if you didnt play other FF games then you weren't a true fan? I did originally type "majority" in that previous message but not sure what happened there.

Unique from other races? Somewhat, though the fact Viera have rabbit ears already separates them from other races.

Rabbit ears are a defining trait for the Viera but other than that, we have very few things limiting our races from each other and I just think there needs to be more. If you, along with everyone else genuinely wants the race lock to be lifted then I dont see the point in having different races at all. In that case, it'd be more efficient for everyone to just have Hyur characters with in-game customization options to give us either cat or rabbit ears?

Saying that we're owed 'special things' because of the issues with the race is just incredibly entitled - they've already made a lot of headway towards fixing the problems with Viera, which is all anyone ever wanted to begin with. I'd gladly take the ability to use any of the currently available all-race hairstyles, over 1 new racial style every 2 years or something. Saying we're owed 'special things' because Viera and Viera alone deserve to be more unique is incredibly entitled. All we're really "owed" is being brought up to the standard of the other races - anything more is just icing on the cake.

It's not entitled when its something that is overdue. Square Enix said over 2 years ago that more hairstyles are coming for Viera and they did not fix our situation but instead, was working on male Viera instead of sorting out the pre-existing issues with female Viera. I'd like it if we're up to the stand with the other races, but guess what? Viera are still a limited race and wont have access to A LOT of hats, and even our race-exclusive hairstyles are even lower when you take into account majority are just a "With bangs, without bangs" - so yes, we need atleast two more varieties. If I had discovered that Miqo'te were getting another race exclusive hairstyle no one would ever catch me on the forums complaining how I'm so hard done by and I deserve to have their hairstyle, I'd think good on them for getting something new. Entitled is people demanding Viera hairstyles even though the other races would look so incredibly strange with a viera hair, it wouldn't look right at all.

[aveyond-dreams]

Entitled is people demanding Viera hairstyles even though the other races would look so incredibly strange with a viera hair, it wouldn't look right at all.

Viera hairstyles are inspired by their huntress/wood elf vibe seeing as how they are the closest thing that FFXIV has to typical fantasy elves. And that's me speaking as someone who also plays an Elezen. Their hairstyles actually would not look out of place on other races and are objectively of a higher quality than most racial hairstyles from the base ARR races. There is nothing so special and unique about Viera that they have to be the only ones with long fluffy hair.

There is no point in working on hairstyles that can be *only* used by a specific race when higher quality hairstyles are a widely requested feature by the general playerbase outside Viera. It sucks that they went 2 years with no updates but now they got an entire gender added to them and finally are no longer being treated as a package deal with Hrothgar and all of the problems that came with. Come 6.0 they will be leagues away from what many would consider a limited race. In light of what we are going to be receiving in EW I choose to look at the glass half full instead of complaining about the flavour water I'm getting.

[SherlottaEryut]

There is nothing so special and unique about Viera that they have to be the only ones with long fluffy hair.

You clearly don't know the Viera race that well if you're trying to disregard the Viera's 10+ years of character appearances in numerous games. You other races would not be able to pull off Fran's hairstyle due to the lack of rabbit ears therefore the Viera headpiece headpiece that comes along with it would look insanely random.

I choose to look at the glass half full instead of complaining about the flavour water I'm getting.

But all you've done since your first post here is complain how you feel entitled to hair a Viera wore in XII? This shouldn't be so much of an issue for you considering you have a Viera alt.

[TheMightyMollusk]

You other races would not be able to pull off Fran's hairstyle due to the lack of rabbit ears therefore the Viera headpiece headpiece that comes along with it would look insanely random.

I don't see how that would really be any weirder than Viera, Miqo'te, and Hrothgar wearing glasses despite not having human-placed ears to support them.

[SherlottaEryut]

I don't see how that would really be any weirder than Viera, Miqo'te, and Hrothgar wearing glasses despite not having human-placed ears to support them.

That's not a valid point to make at all. You're literally bringing in physics to an argument about lore/a specific race's style. And glasses are a thing that belongs to everyone and not a specific race so I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.

[aveyond-dreams]

That's not a valid point to make at all. You're literally bringing in physics to an argument about lore/a specific race's style. And glasses are a thing that belongs to everyone and not a specific race so I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.

And so is hair. Thank you.

[TheMightyMollusk]

That's not a valid point to make at all. You're literally bringing in physics to an argument about lore/a specific race's style. And glasses are a thing that belongs to everyone and not a specific race so I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.

Lore went out the window as a valid argument when they made male Miqo'te playable back in 2.0, and it's getting another kick in 6.0 with male Viera.

[SherlottaEryut]

Lore went out the window as a valid argument when they made male Miqo'te playable back in 2.0, and it's getting another kick in 6.0 with male Viera.

I have said this numerous times on other forums, Miqo'te do not have a significance in the FF franchise so there's no comparison to Viera who have 10+ years of lore as well as numerous game appearances. People argue that Miqo'te are essentially the Mithra from XI but there's obviously no definitive confirmation that they're linked other than the fact they're cat people. So no - Miqo'te only existed in XIV thus aren't *that* lore-developed that people care if it changes.

Male Viera, understandably were previously never seen in the Ivalician era but it makes sense considering Endwalker has a dire storyline, it makes sense that the male Viera come out of hiding to lend their aid.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Where did I say if you didnt play other FF games then you weren't a true fan? I did originally type "majority" in that previous message but not sure what happened there.

Read the part I bolded in the section I quoted from you again. How else do you want people to take that? Please lol.

Rabbit ears are a defining trait for the Viera but other than that, we have very few things limiting our races from each other and I just think there needs to be more. If you, along with everyone else genuinely wants the race lock to be lifted then I dont see the point in having different races at all. In that case, it'd be more efficient for everyone to just have Hyur characters with in-game customization options to give us either cat or rabbit ears?

This argument makes no sense. They're already different due to having animal traits vs regular Hyur ears.

Viera don't have Hyur ears at all. Miqo'te don't have Hyur ears at all. Elezen have pointed ears. Hrothgar have animal faces. Each race is already unique from one another as is, why are hairstyles the only thing you think makes them unique? And why do you think the unique properties of each race would suddenly up and disappear if everyone had access to any style of hair?

Literally, I do not see the logic in that other than you having some warped idea of what constitutes uniqueness.

It's not entitled when its something that is overdue. Square Enix said over 2 years ago that more hairstyles are coming for Viera and they did not fix our situation but instead, was working on male Viera instead of sorting out the pre-existing issues with female Viera. I'd like it if we're up to the stand with the other races, but guess what? Viera are still a limited race and wont have access to A LOT of hats, and even our race-exclusive hairstyles are even lower when you take into account majority are just a "With bangs, without bangs" - so yes, we need atleast two more varieties. If I had discovered that Miqo'te were getting another race exclusive hairstyle no one would ever catch me on the forums complaining how I'm so hard done by and I deserve to have their hairstyle, I'd think good on them for getting something new. Entitled is people demanding Viera hairstyles even though the other races would look so incredibly strange with a viera hair, it wouldn't look right at all.

They prioritized male viera because that would bring them up to standard with other races. Having both gender options, like every other race. That is also why they promised Hrothgals are coming.

They also worked on unlocking some hairstyles and fitting them to female Viera heads, while at the same time fixing male Viera to make the original issue easier. Meaning that they'll very likely attempt to apply the 'fix' from male Viera to female Viera as soon as possible, if they aren't already trying.

They are already giving people what they were owed. There's also the consideration that much of this took more time than normal due to the fact we had a worldwide pandemic hit in the middle of Shadowbringers.

Also no, most races would look fine with Viera hairstyles actually. Just because you don't think so doesn't mean they wouldn't. That said, I wasn't saying our current racial styles should be unlocked for everyone - only that continuing to ask for exclusive Viera-only hairstyles when they're clearly already trying to unlock all-race hairstyles for them as is, is a little entitled. No one has ever requested exclusive Roegadyn or Highlander or Au Ra hairstyles since their release - why is Viera different?

Frankly I'd prefer they work on giving Viera men and women their own unique Hempen set design. Though working on unlocking all Hempen set designs would be just as well - the Highlander and Au Ra sets would work nicely.

And I'll be honest - you have made thread after thread since you showed up on the forums, requesting exclusives for Viera and arguing/insulting anyone who disagreed that only Viera deserved these requests, or only Viera should get exclusives. You have consistently come off as incredibly entitled in each and every thread I've seen crop up from you over the past few months, so forgive me if I feel like this whole argument of yours is coming off the same way.

[SherlottaEryut]

Read the part I bolded in the section I quoted from you again. How else do you want people to take that? Please lol.

Sorry but if you're going to take what I said that way, that's your business. Not much else I can say to that.

And I'll be honest - you have made thread after thread since you showed up on the forums, requesting exclusives for Viera and arguing/insulting anyone who disagreed that only Viera deserved these requests, or only Viera should get exclusives. You have consistently come off as incredibly entitled in each and every thread I've seen crop up from you over the past few months, so forgive me if I feel like this whole argument of yours is coming off the same way.

Well, now that just looks a bit personal. I find it really cheeky that you willingly went out of your way just to check up on my previous thread posts in an attempt to belittle me in this one. My requests have never been inconsiderate or unreasonable. Self-entitled people who feel like they should have access to everything that's race exclusive, that's entitled. I have stated numerous times in all my threads how much of a Viera fan I am and why I think my idea's should be implemented - it's not my fault people take offence to the idea of more race-exclusive options. If people came up with idea's about an exclusive Au'Ra piece; I'd be for the idea and I wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram and pout how I deserve things too. This child-like mentality of "I want a PS4 tooooooo" is quite interesting to see on the forums; it's very common here.

Despite me saying I'm pro-gender and race lock, people still attempt to argue with me and turn it into an unnecessary debate about how Final Fantasy should be a perfect "everyones the same" kind of the world and just because I argue my point, that makes me a bad person? I never (as far as I can remember) outright insulted anyone for disagreeing with my point, albiet I can come across blunt but that's just me. I argued my opinion and I religiously state my reasons for my ideas and if people are sensitive and can't counteract any of my statements with a genuine, valid reason why my request is unreasonable then that's not my problem.