Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
Definitions of hardcore:
- intensely loyal; die-hard
- stubbornly resistant to improvement or change
- extremely graphic or explicit

Definitions of casual:
- relaxed and unconcerned
- not regular or permanent
- happening by chance; accidental
- without formality of style or manner
I would say this is the best explanation on how I use the term casual. It's just a matter of dedication and time investment not necessarily in relation to skill or immediate time sink.

Labeling things "hardcore" and "casual" honestly is broad enough IMO to help know what type of group or content you could potentially getting yourself into, it's when you start getting things like "Casual Hardcore", "Hardcore Casual", "Light Hardcore", and "Semi-Hardcore" that things start becoming convoluted.
Especially when pertaining to groups I take it as a advertisement of what type of content the group will be expecting to do in the future where having a preformed group is a bigger pro than a pf group.
In terms of labeling actual content hardcore or casual I think that just falls under the general populace consensus.


Ultimate is considered hardcore because the biggest limitation is time on multiple fronts. Savage is barely considered hardcore because of the mechanical leaps it takes from extreme.
So when it comes to reasons to label things and how to label them I think they have their place but they're very subjective.
Some people could consider savage very hardcore and ultimate casual simply because they've played for so long have such a solid group and have a huge brain but at the end of the day it comes down to what the populace thinks.
End of the day though I don't think we should forget regardless of what the populace think they can be wrong & things can be different than how they're being perceived.