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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Except we know that there is also rebirth after entering the lifestream. It's the same soul, lacking memories but those can be restored.
    Minor reminder: Those probably can't be restored anymore. At least, not without immense difficulty. We trashed the soul crystals by throwing them into the First's Crystal Tower with Elidibus; whether that's salvageable or not is still an open question, but it's an open question that hasn't been asked in-universe, which leads me to assume we probably aren't meant to be asking it ourselves.

    That leaves restoring it in the way Mitron did with Loghrif, but that seems considerably slower, as well as much more prone to interference by someone like the WoL. (And also much more painful for the target, but I don't think the Ascians care.)

    EDIT: And it might also be worth noting: if we can trust the Eden questline, it takes roughly 80-something years for a soul to be reincarnated, without factoring in aging. So realistically, even if, say, Pashtarot wants to uplift Nabriales again, they're gonna be waiting a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    EDIT: And it might also be worth noting: if we can trust the Eden questline, it takes roughly 80-something years for a soul to be reincarnated, without factoring in aging. So realistically, even if, say, Pashtarot wants to uplift Nabriales again, they're gonna be waiting a while.
    Gaia could have reincarnated multiple times in that period. Assuming that Ryne is a shard of Minfilia (as it is heavily implied), she reincarnated many times in that same span.
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    Minfillia never reincarnated though. She possessed others, much like the Ascians do, until she eventually allowed herself to be subsumed into Ryne. Gaia however was dispersed into the lifestream to reincarnate naturally. Besides if Gaia did reincarnate other times it seems strange for Mitron to not mention so, given that he can communicate with her on some minor level, even while stuck as Eden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layte_Aeon View Post
    Minfillia never reincarnated though. She possessed others, much like the Ascians do, until she eventually allowed herself to be subsumed into Ryne. Gaia however was dispersed into the lifestream to reincarnate naturally. Besides if Gaia did reincarnate other times it seems strange for Mitron to not mention so, given that he can communicate with her on some minor level, even while stuck as Eden.
    Minfilia, no. "The Minfilias", aka Ryne, seemingly so. It appears as though Minfilia only ever possessed the shard of herself as she was reborn, hence the girls being found as children and growing up as Minfilia. And then when she was "subsumed into Ryne", that was a rejoining, we can hardly consider it any other sort of mechanism.

    As for Gaia, we neither know the way in which that was possible for Mitron nor if he even did. A lot changes on the First in the 5.0 storyline and we only interact with Mitron so much, him not mentioning something isn't evidence either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    Gaia could have reincarnated multiple times in that period. Assuming that Ryne is a shard of Minfilia (as it is heavily implied), she reincarnated many times in that same span.
    I assume this didn't happen, because if it did he wouldn't have lost. He wants Loghrif back and was doing the whole 'fairy voice' thing to do it. The WoL and Ryne were the only real reason that failed, so we can reasonably assume that if he was able to try earlier than with Gaia, he could've awoken Loghrif way earlier and we wouldn't have even had a Gaia.
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