Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Izscha]

That's some intressting stuff you're saying right there but at the same time that's something that is recognize as toxic by a bunch of ppl here too.

To me you should, but to most you have no right to shame one person if they're doing wrong no matter how bad or ill-intentioned they are, and it's in the ToS.

So you must deal with it like all of us, have fun.

[Kolsykol]

That's some intressting stuff you're saying right there but at the same time that's something that is recognize as toxic by a bunch of ppl here too.

To me you should, but to most you have no right to shame one person if they're doing wrong no matter how bad or ill-intentioned they are, and it's in the ToS.

So you must deal with it like all of us, have fun.

Oh I edited that part out to shorten my comment thought it was a bit irrelevant.

I specifically said if it was continuous behaviour and you had actual evidence like screenshots and also other people backing you up.
At some point I think it should be okay to essentially name and shame, it's not fair that they get to run around and ruin things for people and then still partake like usual with people they're otherwise screwing things up for.

Not saying anyone should be named and shamed for having '' a moment '' once or anything like that, but if it's a continuous thing over months then I think it's in the communities best interest to identify those individuals and basically exclude them.
If there's no consequences these people will continue doing it.

[Izscha]

Oh I edited that part out to shorten my comment thought it was a bit irrelevant.

I specifically said if it was continuous behaviour and you had actual evidence like screenshots and also other people backing you up.
At some point I think it should be okay to essentially name and shame, it's not fair that they get to run around and ruin things for people and then still partake like usual with people they're otherwise screwing things up for.

Not saying anyone should be named and shamed for having '' a moment '' once or anything like that, but if it's a continuous thing over months then I think it's in the communities best interest to identify those individuals and basically exclude them.
If there's no consequences these people will continue doing it.

At the end of the day you can do this content however you want, there is 0 rules that states that eureka must be done by trains or you must join it to do this kind of content so you have nothing to say about it.
Continuous behavior is vague too, would you qualify that someone that keeps dying to the same mecanic in extreme must be kicked and named / shamed ? You can't and that's continuous behavior + blocking the 7 others person there.
That's why i find this intressting you're saying that for Eureka but i do find your exemple on a weekly basis in all kind of content, and it's a big no no for SE with the ToS.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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There are few notable individual in my DC's Eureka as well, but one thing that I'm pretty sure of... no. It's not reportable, because those few individuals are still running amok doing their own things. Sometimes the twist is, there are times they weren't even being toxic from first place---just minding their own business. But it was the mass that knew about their past toxicity started to return the favor by being... toxic themselves. Akin to high school mob mentality.

That being said... no one likes jerks, pretty sure we all get that. Not getting NM credits isn't pleasant, however there is an understanding that prepping an NM means the person who did it gets to set a PT, period. Few exception comes to mind when it comes to big boi NMs like magicite NMs or relic item NMs. It sucks if the person who prep'ed the NM insta pull, but honestly? It's really not worthy to bring potentially long lasting arguments to the chat that will just end up in "This is how Eureka works. It sucks, just deal with it.". You're just missing that one NM, there are still plenty other NMs to pop (or leech). Giving these individuals a reaction is just giving them what they want... and potentially if you're too occupied with frustration, you might let few 'words' slip off and suddenly you've earned a ticket to a GM jail.

Really, it's not worthy.

[Rinhi]

I don't get why people think "haha u mad" is supposed to be a witty comeback. If that was happening to me I would say "yes I am actually, these antics are starting to really bug me". How's that a bad thing?

because that means you can't control your emotions! and you're bad! at least according to many people on this forum

[Izscha]

because that means you can't control your emotions! and you're bad! at least according to many people on this forum

Only positiv emotions are allowed here ! Everything else is toxic and we dont need it in our wonderful community !

[Kolsykol]

At the end of the day you can do this content however you want, there is 0 rules that states that eureka must be done by trains or you must join it to do this kind of content so you have nothing to say about it.
Continuous behavior is vague too, would you qualify that someone that keeps dying to the same mecanic in extreme must be kicked and named / shamed ? You can't and that's continuous behavior + blocking the 7 others person there.
That's why i find this intressting you're saying that for Eureka but i do find your exemple on a weekly basis in all kind of content, and it's a big no no for SE with the ToS.

I think that there is a very clear difference between what I am talking about and your example.

Anyone who has done Eureka knows how it works and what the established norms are.
Just because it's not directly against the rules doesn't make it right and I do think that the community should have some level of power to make these decisions together too.

It's the same with Hunt trains, there is a general common understanding that we do them together and that you don't go around and just kill them yourself.
I also never said that you have to be in a train, what I am saying in this specific case is that when a NM spawns you wait for other people to get there so that they can get the kill too.

And If you keep messing up on the same mechanic in a group then yes people are in their right to kick and replace you.
I don't think that you should be named and shamed for it tho but again it's nowhere in the same realm as what I am talking about.
If on the other hand lets say that you kept giving people shit and being extremely toxic in groups and try to measure your e-peen constantly with everyone you play with then at some point yeah I think it'd be totally fine to name and shame them.
So people could just know up front and get rid of them right away and not have to waste their time on those kinds of people.

You're just missing that one NM, there are still plenty other NMs to pop

Read what I actually said again, it was not just the one NM and she had screwed up the entire map for everyone and refused to share the tracker.
We ended up wasting a lot of time trying to get other NM's to pop but we couldn't because we had no idea which could and which couldn't, and this same person was then gloating about it and being an asshole in chat about it.

And she used that argument too that '' I poped them so I get to do what I want '', but again we were trying to pop things too but couldn't and the reason why we couldn't was because of her to begin with it's a circular thing that all went back to her being a jerk.


Edit: The same person also was all like '' PT 29:40, there happy? '' which is basically immediately and then was acting like a snarky jerk about it.
This wasn't normal behaviour in Eureka at all.

[Izscha]

I think that there is a very clear difference between what I am talking about and your example.

Anyone who has done Eureka knows how it works and what the established norms are.
Just because it's not directly against the rules doesn't make it right and I do think that the community should have some level of power to make these decisions together too.

It's the same with Hunt trains, there is a general common understanding that we do them together and that you don't go around and just kill them yourself.
I also never said that you have to be in a train, what I am saying in this specific case is that when a NM spawns you wait for other people to get there so that they can get the kill too.

And If you keep messing up on the same mechanic in a group then yes people are in their right to kick and replace you.
I don't think that you should be named and shamed for it tho but again it's nowhere in the same realm as what I am talking about.
If on the other hand lets say that you kept giving people shit and being extremely toxic in groups and try to measure your e-peen constantly with everyone you play with then at some point yeah I think it'd be totally fine to name and shame them.
So people could just know up front and get rid of them right away and not have to waste their time on those kinds of people.

What you're saying is that community rules > one's liberty to do this content alone ?
I'm not judging here just understanding your pov.

Funny that you do talk about hunt trains while i'm the one doing it just when i see it on my way around, alone or not.

And i dont see why it's that different, both are screwing a lot of ppl, wasting their time and make it a bad experience for everyone else.
And from what you're saying it's the group than went down on them, being defensive about it when you get yelled at because "it's not what us wanted" do not surprise me at all, and they do know that you can't do anything about it so some will act cocky about it, once again it happens everytime everywhere.

[Kolsykol]

What you're saying is that community rules > one's liberty to do this content alone ?
I'm not judging here just understanding your pov.

Funny that you do talk about hunt trains while i'm the one doing it just when i see it on my way around, alone or not.

And i dont see why it's that different, both are screwing a lot of ppl, wasting their time and make it a bad experience for everyone else.
And from what you're saying it's the group than went down on them, being defensive about it when you get yelled at because "it's not what us wanted" do not surprise me at all, and they do know that you can't do anything about it so some will act cocky about it, once again it happens everytime everywhere.

I think I've been very clear that it's my personal opinion, not that it's the actual rules or that it should override the rules.
I guess what I am saying is that I think the rules should be changed.

You don't really seem to understand it in general so I don't rly see what the point of having this conversation is anymore.
But I think most people can agree that doing it so that a lot of people get to do it at the same time and not miss out on it is generally better than one person or a very small group running around and doing it on their own and then leave everyone else in the dark.

I don't think that the mentality of '' I am on my own screw everyone else '' is very healthy in a MMO.
And you do end up being sort of a pest to everyone else if you play that way.

[Izscha]

I think I've been very clear that it's my personal opinion, not that it's the actual rules or that it should override the rules.
I guess what I am saying is that I think the rules should be changed.

You don't really seem to understand it in general so I don't rly see what the point of having this conversation is anymore.
But I think most people can agree that doing it so that a lot of people get to do it at the same time and not miss out on it is generally better than one person or a very small group running around and doing it on their own and then leave everyone else in the dark.

I don't think that the mentality of '' I am on my own screw everyone else '' is very healthy in a MMO.
And you do end up being sort of a pest to everyone else if you play that way.

At this point, talking for me obviously, ppl getting mad at me in this game for any reason isn't going to rock my world in the slightest and i guess that's the kind of person you did meet there.
All i'm saying is that, you can't tell them to do things your way and that's how it works with the ToS we got, that's it.
That's exactly the kind of things i knew would happen more with the recent clarification, one's can screw others over and over and they'll never get anything for it, because they're not breaking any rules.
So once again, that's how it is deal with it like anyone else nothing more you can do about it, and if you try to do more you'll be the one in trouble for sure.
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