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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Making niche races for the sake of being niche is not worth it when they could make something that more people will pay for, play as, and appreciate.
    So then why did SE make Hrothgar at all?
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    If I wanted to play as a male with huge muscles and all, I would be playing that instead of a woman. I would like female Hrothgar to represent feminine beauty, not femroe 2.0 or Abby FFXIV version.

    As for your question as to why make Hrothgar at all? Who knows. It was the greatest miscalculation in the history of the game. Nothing had ever caused such unprecedented levels of chaos as when they went back to doing gender-locked races, especially with all the limitations they came saddled with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    If I wanted to play as a male with huge muscles and all, I would be playing that instead of a woman. I would like female Hrothgar to represent feminine beauty, not femroe 2.0 or Abby FFXIV version.
    Nothing you've said so far has even been a little bit convincing.

    But if you want Miqo'te 2.0 who am I to say otherwise?

    I just rather a design that - you know - makes sense?

    But seeing as I'm not obsessed with traditional 'feminine beauty standards' - that's perhaps where we differ in perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    If I wanted to play as a male with huge muscles and all, I would be playing that instead of a woman. I would like female Hrothgar to represent feminine beauty, not femroe 2.0 or Abby FFXIV version.

    As for your question as to why make Hrothgar at all? Who knows. It was the greatest miscalculation in the history of the game. Nothing had ever caused such unprecedented levels of chaos as when they went back to doing gender-locked races, especially with all the limitations they came saddled with.
    You literally have Viera for "feminine beauty" (as well as 5-6 other races) as an option, though. Say what you will about female Roegadyn, but they can be beautiful/feminine as well (beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

    Hrothgar have a playerbase and there are people who will play and prefer a bestial female Hrothgar.
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  6. #2645
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    You literally have Viera for "feminine beauty" (as well as 5-6 other races) as an option, though. Say what you will about female Roegadyn, but they can be beautiful/feminine as well (beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

    Hrothgar have a playerbase and there are people who will play and prefer a bestial female Hrothgar.
    I genuinely don't get femroe hate as I also find them beautiful. But I am aware there's a reoccurring prejudice - especially irl - against women with a muscular figure.
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    I can only wonder why.

    In any case sexual dimorphism actually does make sense for most species, especially when dealing with humanoids. Women should look different to men. That's kind of the whole point. If you want huge muscles and all then why not settle for male Hrothgar and we can save resources making something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    If I wanted to play as a male with huge muscles and all, I would be playing that instead of a woman. I would like female Hrothgar to represent feminine beauty, not femroe 2.0 or Abby FFXIV version.

    As for your question as to why make Hrothgar at all? Who knows. It was the greatest miscalculation in the history of the game. Nothing had ever caused such unprecedented levels of chaos as when they went back to doing gender-locked races, especially with all the limitations they came saddled with.
    Lol, seems nobody wants to say it or something. They made the Hrothgar to cater to the furry community which can be quite vocal and seem larger than it actually is. Best bet was to use an already existing popular beast race from the other FF titles, the Ronso.
    Honestly, while I don't like how the Hrothgar turned out, mostly due to the hunch back posture, I enjoy seeing them around. They add a nice contrast to the rather homogeneous human like races.

    I hope they look sorta like this, just with less bestial looking feet, I would totally fantasia into one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I can only wonder why.

    In any case sexual dimorphism actually does make sense for most species, especially when dealing with humanoids. Women should look different to men. That's kind of the whole point. If you want huge muscles and all then why not settle for male Hrothgar and we can save resources making something else?
    Because I think women can have muscles too? Muscles aren't an inherently masculine thing, Aveyond.

    And when I imagine a Queen Lion, I imagine something radiating power and presence not daintiness and kawaii-ness like you seem to think.
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    It's one thing for a woman to be "toned" but it is another thing to have bulky muscles. It is perfectly fine for a slim female Hrothgar to have *muscle definition* but not femroe sized arms.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    Muscles aren't an inherently masculine thing
    I'm sorry but. literally what. Muscles = men. This isn't something groundbreaking.
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 11-17-2021 at 04:16 AM.

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    (double post ignore this one)
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