Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[reivaxe]

You don't have to be attracted to a woman to know when a woman is attractive or looks good in general.

Yup.
Aesthetics/ general appeal are a thing to. Even most all furries who give their fursona paw beans and digitigrade legs (more animal features than Hrothgar) don't make them hunched over, as that just looks baaad.

[RyuDragnier]

Yup.
Aesthetics/ general appeal are a thing to. Even most all furries who give their fursona paw beans and digitigrade legs (more animal features than Hrothgar) don't make them hunched over, as that just looks baaad.

*looks at worgen, charr, tauren, brute-ish type characters* Are you 100% sure about that?

[Mirhd]

*looks at worgen, charr, tauren, brute-ish type characters* Are you 100% sure about that?

A female Tauren druid was one of the first characters I ever made in WoW at launch. She was adorable. D: Granted, they aren't so hunched as the males, but still. D:

[reivaxe]

*looks at worgen, charr, tauren, brute-ish type characters* Are you 100% sure about that?

... Wut?
Me: Most all Furries don't give their fursona a hunch as it looks bad/ stupid af.
You: List off unpopular beast races from MMOs with a hunch.

No, I do not think any MMO carters to general furries taste, and I actually do think that part of the reason why these races are unpopular is for doing stuff like giving them a hunch or making them look like they have rabies. There's some overlap between monster "fans" and furries, but those are still very different subcultures.

[RyuDragnier]

... Wut?
Me: Most all Furries don't give their fursona a hunch as it looks bad/ stupid af.
You: List off unpopular beast races from MMOs with a hunch.

No, I do not think any MMO carters to general furries taste, and I actually do think that part of the reason why these races are unpopular is for doing stuff like giving them a hunch or making them look like they have rabies. There's some overlap between monster "fans" and furries, but those are still very different subcultures.

Lol you'd be mistaken. Most furries I know play those races, simply because they are beast races. Furries prefer beast races, period. Because we don't want another generic human type character or half human looking hybrid, we want actual beast races. Charr, Khajiit, Worgen, Tauren, Hrothgar, etc etc. If it's a beast race, furries are going to play it. We don't want to play generic humans, short humans, tall humans with pointy ears, humans with cat ears and tails, humans with bunny ears and tails, or giant humans, we want beast races.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

In the end, I'll accept whatever Square decides is worthy of female Hroth design.

Will I be disappointed if they're just slightly larger humans with rounded cat ears like people are asking for? Yeah, definitely.

But it's their decision at the end of the day.

[reivaxe]

Lol you'd be mistaken. Most furries I know play those races, simply because they are beast races.

"I have an anecdotal example!"

1- I never said "no furries play w/e races". I just that these races are never catered towards furries. Which is true, those races always go for feral or ugly over attractive/ appealing. It's no wonder that those races are so unpopular, not as many people are into the monster look or willing to settle for that even though there are tons of furries out there.

2- If we gonna swing info around, then let's do that. From what I can find (WoW in 2019), of the people who played Worgen only 29% played females. Tauren? Less than 20% of them are female. Charr? Females are the sole reason that's the least popular race in GW2 as the males are actually the 2nd most popular males. Not shocking at all when you look up what furry cowgirls/ wolves/ cats look like and compare them to those games. "Beast races are never popular" is a common belief, and they never try to make them attractive or appealing to the people who like anthros/ furries even though there's an endless supply of art out there showing what these people generally like.

If those WoW or GW2 ratios were to be repeated in FF14 with Hrothgar males in current numbers, the total amount of Female Hrothgar would be less than 1 clan of Femroe ... and Femroe are legit only 1% of active players if you go by the numbers from Lucky of July 2021. That's like .5% of the population ... I'd call that a waste of resources personally.
This is exactly why I get them going the MithraxViera route.

[Allegor]

... Wut?
Me: Most all Furries don't give their fursona a hunch as it looks bad/ stupid af.
You: List off unpopular beast races from MMOs with a hunch.

No, I do not think any MMO carters to general furries taste, and I actually do think that part of the reason why these races are unpopular is for doing stuff like giving them a hunch or making them look like they have rabies. There's some overlap between monster "fans" and furries, but those are still very different subcultures.

Not being #1 in popularity doesn't mean they're unpopular...? Pandaren are objectively unpopular, only like ~2% of the entire playerbase plays them, but Worgen and Tauren are far from being "unpopular" - they're right behind humans and elves, in a game that has 17 playable races [23, actually, but I don't count the 'copy-paste' ones separately]. Same with Charr, even if female Charr is the least played race/gender combo, all their 5 races are rather balanced in popularity. Don't know much about ESO but from what Google tells me, Khajiit are also very popular, and their race distribution is even more balanced than GW II.

If anything, XIV is the odd one out where it's "smol kawaii waifu or nothing" and that's precisely why they wanted to add more diversity with niche races

Also, all those races are genuine "monster" races, not "furries" like Hrothgar and Khajiit are. A female furry would be popular among furries, but trying to cater a furry to "normies" defeats the purpose of a furry race at all - it's like offering a vegan burger in your menu, but it still contains real meat because most of your customers eat meat, why promote it as a 'vegan' burger then? because it has extra lettuce?

[reivaxe]

Not being #1 in popularity doesn't mean they're unpopular...? Pandaren are objectively unpopular, only like ~2% of the entire playerbase plays them, but Worgen and Tauren are far from being "unpopular"

I don't speak on the popularity of WoW stuff, as there are far too many variables at play there. Be it race/ class accessibility and compatibility or faction choices or racial mata or when a race was added/ how long it's been the only option for w/e or just how long they've been in the game. On top of that, it's got like 100 races and most of them don't come close to the top ones as they run with the "Shrek like charm" of the game so you end up with a whole lot of things that don't stand out. WoW is its own special bubble of f**ery as to why things are the way they are with it, I prefer to use games with more clear variables.

Like, I've seen WoW players say stuff like "Dwarf /Priest were the only ones with mass dispel, so the ally were overpowered in raids!/ If you wanted to be a Druid in the Horde, you had to be a Cow". All that kinda stuff effects numbers ... and the Horde was still basically been overtaken by Blood Elf girls when they were added (added cause the devs wanted to increase the Horde's numbers. Everyone in WoW knows Pretty is Popular).

WoW isn't the end all to MMO's, there are ones that treat race like FF14 does, in that it's purely cosmetic. GW2 is great to look at as any race can be anything, there's no boon to picking w/e you want, the game only has a few races, never added a new one, and it's been out for as long as FF14.
Game like ESO? Apparently, no good as people WILL level a race just because of racial passives for a class meta.
Base Tera? Race meant nothing, Rock dudes/ the Semi-Rock-Demons race/ Small fat furry dudes were not popular ... yet the lil girl race is legit what kept that game going alone.

Same with Charr, even if female Charr is the least played race/gender combo, all their 5 races are rather balanced in popularity.

I have repeatedly pointed out that Charr males are popular in GW2. The whole point of looking at these things is looking at the females of these races and how often they're played compared to males. Every example that poster gave had females of the race come in at something between 15-29% of the males, which is pretty important for this topic (Hrothgals).

We already know how popular Hrothgar are in FF14 (not popular. They're doing decent for alt-Roe with no hair options and a hunchback though IMO), so making a female without some good sexual dimorphism seems like it could lead to exactly the same gender ratios as those others ... and in this case that's "less than half of Femroe".

If anything, XIV is the odd one out where it's "smol kawaii waifu or nothing" and that's precisely why they wanted to add more diversity with niche races

Wut?
There are 4 small females (Lala/ Femra/ Miqote/ Middie) and 4 tall females (Highlander/ Elezen/ Viera/ Femroe). There are more options to the game than "smoll waifu", people just don't play them outside Viera (More popular than the other 3 tall options combined).

Also, all those races are genuine "monster" races, not "furries" like Hrothgar and Khajiit are. A female furry would be popular among furries, but trying to cater a furry to "normies" defeats the purpose of a furry race at all - it's like offering a vegan burger in your menu, but it still contains real meat because most of your customers eat meat, why promote it as a 'vegan' burger then? because it has extra lettuce?

I've been calling those races "monster races" this whole time, it's the other person trying to say furries like em regardless. (I don't count Khajiit as anything appealing, everything in ESO looks ugly and unnerving to me including the humans)
As for why SE would skip out on the "Veggie burger" or w/e? IDK, maybe cause they clearly see how aggressively this fanbase ignores females that are "too" different and don't want to risk another Femroe. Maybe it's because they're Japanese and JPN has a long history of doing that with females for furry races. Maybe when looking at FF11 for Reaper inspiration they thought "Wow, we could prob get a fat chunk of Miqote girls to play something like Mithra ... they might like that!".

IDK, but I see no reason to show art of them looking like that if not to indicate that that's what we're getting personally. Been telling people for over a year to prep themselves because ... y'all seem to think Femra was an accident and not a feature. Devs showed us back in HW that they're more than willing to make genders not "match". Feels foolish to think they wont take note of the data they have at hand on play rates and popularity.