Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Came back to the OF to see wtf people have to say about Viera hair news and saw this thread was popping off ...

I don't get what people don't get about "wasted resources".
How many obese people are there in the parts of the world where this game is popular? A lot in the west. Would the devs or anyone reasonable think that doing everything they would have to do to make "Dulia-Chai" playable be "worth" the time, dev strain and $$$ investment needed? Prob not worth doing that.
Same with the "No more genderlocked gear!" crowd who want everything from Neo to seasonal sets to be wearable in both gender forms for either gender, that would be twice the amount of work to end up making gear that doubles female's options but only a tiny fraction of people who play male characters would bother wearing. Not worth the headache and would be a waste of energy.

What is and isn't "worth" or a "waste of resources" is completely up to the devs, but that doesn't mean we have to act blind to the logic they would have to apply to this. .

The argument that I was responding to was basically that if the devs made a certain decision on making Hrothgals more bestial then it’d be a ‘wasted resource.’ I was telling them it wouldn’t be since that decision might appeal to certain people. This has nothing to do with what I want and everything to do with not labeling whatever the devs want as a potentially ‘wasted resource’.

[Strika23]

I'm surprised we still haven't seen female Hrothgar concept art this far after their announcement.

[Rokke]

Came back to the OF to see wtf people have to say about Viera hair news and saw this thread was popping off ...

I don't get what people don't get about "wasted resources".
How many obese people are there in the parts of the world where this game is popular? A lot in the west. Would the devs or anyone reasonable think that doing everything they would have to do to make "Dulia-Chai" playable be "worth" the time, dev strain and $$$ investment needed? Prob not worth doing that.
Same with the "No more genderlocked gear!" crowd who want everything from Neo to seasonal sets to be wearable in both gender forms for either gender, that would be twice the amount of work to end up making gear that doubles female's options but only a tiny fraction of people who play male characters would bother wearing. Not worth the headache and would be a waste of energy.

What is and isn't "worth" or a "waste of resources" is completely up to the devs, but that doesn't mean we have to act blind to the logic they would have to apply to this.
I've been saying for a long time that people should reconcile with the fact that they only show Hrothgals as "Mithra crossed with Viera" because they're prob doing that for a reason. No matter how many people poo poo about Female Draggos, they're still the 2nd most popular thing in this game and are objectively well liked for what they are.

Unless you are a Square Enix shareholder, theres no real reason to wring your hands over a confirmed upcoming playable gender's resources. They've already been deemed "worth" whatever resources they'd cost.

[LisSquid]

I'm surprised we still haven't seen female Hrothgar concept art this far after their announcement.

Probably because of what happened with Au Ra, honestly. Concept art covered a large variety of possibilities and people end up feeling cheated when their preference doesn't become the final product. Still, would be nice to see the design they settled on.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Probably because of what happened with Au Ra, honestly. Concept art covered a large variety of possibilities and people end up feeling cheated when their preference doesn't become the final product. Still, would be nice to see the design they settled on.

I dont think Early Au-Ra concept art is to blame. Afterall its just concept art, and the point is to show off the design process as you explore ideas.
Id say they just haven't actually worked on it yet. Or at least not enough to actually show anything off yet.
Just like I was saying about Male Viera, they didnt say/show anything, because there was nothing to Show or talk about. Yet.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

What is and isn't "worth" or a "waste of resources" is completely up to the devs, but that doesn't mean we have to act blind to the logic they would have to apply to this.
I've been saying for a long time that people should reconcile with the fact that they only show Hrothgals as "Mithra crossed with Viera" because they're prob doing that for a reason. No matter how many people poo poo about Female Draggos, they're still the 2nd most popular thing in this game and are objectively well liked for what they are.

Female Hrothgar were never actually worked on, they have nothing concrete to show for it, so its still in the air how they will actually make Female Hrothgar.
If you wanna make the argument that the few little things we've seen is likely how they are going to look....then why in the SAM-hell are Female Hrothgar not finished yet? By this logic they were already making them and should have been finished LEAGUES before Male Viera. We should have seen a Female Hrothgar Queen instead of a FemRoe in Bozja. They would have had PLENTY of time to get FemHroths done in time for at least the Later half of Bozja if they already made that much progress in designing them...if we are gonna pretend thats the Definitive & finalized design.
This just doesn't add up at all. So I can't support this line of thinking.

[reivaxe]

The argument that I was responding to was basically that if the devs made a certain decision on making Hrothgals more bestial then it’d be a ‘wasted resource.’ I was telling them it wouldn’t be since that decision might appeal to certain people. This has nothing to do with what I want and everything to do with not labeling whatever the devs want as a potentially ‘wasted resource’.

I know what you replied to
"If the females are another hunchback race, yeah, it's a waste of resources, there's not enough people to play them to justify the work."

They said this after going on about how they would like them to look like, and they are correct in assuming that a "hunched back female" would be highly unpopular. We've got many examples from other MMOs of how "hunched back beast females" are far less popular than their males (Charr for example, a race you pointed at). Saying "might appeal to certain people" means nothing, as I could say the same about a Dulia-Chai option. Devs are the ones who have to determine what is or isn't a waste of their time, but it would be a mistake to think that they don't ask themselves, "how many people would play/ like this? Does this look good?".
I don't believe the devs have made any indication that they "want" the females to look as beastly/ hunched as the males, so IDK how anyone could label what "they" want.

Unless you are a Square Enix shareholder, theres no real reason to wring your hands over a confirmed upcoming playable gender's resources. They've already been deemed "worth" whatever resources they'd cost.

We all know they're coming, discussing how the devs go about making them is something else. It could be someone's opinion that something added to the game WOULD BE a waste of resources, but if the devs add it then the devs clearly didn't feel that way.
Seems more like a convo of guessing what the devs would over "should" do to me, and it's clear what people mean by "wasted resources" which is what my post is about.

[Rokke]

We all know they're coming, discussing how the devs go about making them is something else. It could be someone's opinion that something added to the game WOULD BE a waste of resources, but if the devs add it then the devs clearly didn't feel that way.
Seems more like a convo of guessing what the devs would over "should" do to me, and it's clear what people mean by "wasted resources" which is what my post is about.

We went through this song and dance in the male Viera thread for years. They "should" be X/Y, because Y/X would be a waste of resources round and round and round. And here we are, a few weeks out of their release. Perhaps its because I recently sat through Yoshi dedicating what felt like was 3 hours talking about xiv's newest attempt at making pvp engaging makes me less inclined to worry about a beastly lady being a waste or not.

[SturmChurro]

Oh God, now people want them to actually retain the hunchback posture? The race would literally be dead on arrival.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Oh God, now people want them to actually retain the hunchback posture? The race would literally be dead on arrival.

Are people not allowed to have their own taste in character design? What’s wrong with having a want that diverges from the norm when it comes to playable options?