Coffee Buscuits on steroids; a gil making method causing housing problems

[kekebear]

Some People like to cherry pick on a tiny part of the post and try to discredit the entire thing. If you read even just the title you'll see that the problem this thread aims to alleviate - not solve - isn't inflation but housing. You cannot argue that removing this effective gil generating capabilities for housing isn't going to help.

Just to demonstrate how much subs are worth - a fight-club-ready workshop is worth 30-50m, on top of the cost of the plot/house; that's more than a year of coffee biscuits. If people are willing to pay this much for a fight club operation, you want to tell me the perpetual gil it generates is not worth it?

In case you missed this, check out these endorsements by people who are active participants of the scheme: https://imgur.com/a/u213pGX

What's happening now is there is already way less housing available than number of players, and yet some people are gobbling up houses and let it sit, and it would generate significant amount of gil out of thin air. Those landlords then use those gil to buy up more houses in the resale market, generating more gil, driving resale prices way up and the cycle continues. If you're in favor of only letting super gil-rich people get housing, then maybe you're ok with this.

Some multi-owners want to set up venues or even buy up wards and decorate it to be a tourist attraction of some sort; some people might not like it but I personally think that's fine, pretty cool even.

Some other specific people buy houses, left them empty and turn them into a gil printing machine, and directly use those gil to get more housing/gil machines, make worse the housing shortage problem. If Square Enix would remove the gil printing part, the houses would suddendly be worth a lot less to these people. Entering and refreshing the demolition timer of their tens to 100+ of houses would become a chore rather than a gil generating activity. We might see some auto demos, who knows? If you're against this, it just tells me you're one of these people.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Even if every single FC was a shell for this scheme, it wouldn't solve it. 96 wards means 5,760 houses. 10K to 15K active players per day. Even assuming everyone who is active logs on every day, you're still looking at doubling to tripling the number for everyone to have a house, even assuming you get rid of ALL FC housing. The solution is instanced housing. What you're proposing is tantamount to trying to fix a broken leg with band-aids.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

If you're against this, it just tells me you're one of these people.

Honestly, this tells me all I need to know about you. "There is no possible reason you could ever think I'm wrong aside from being someone who abuses the system and makes the problem worse."

How many people actually have multiples? How many houses are owned by people with multiples? How many of these people even give two snots about the gil printers and don't own the houses purely because they have a design itch that The Sims doesn't scratch (which I'm not defending, but it means that your solution won't cause them to give up the houses)? Give me hard numbers. Tell me how much this is going to help. Until then, you're just bitter and angry that someone else has something you don't.

[Kyu-Momo]

Didn't even know about this. Thanks for the head's up.

[kekebear]

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So you're saying you should keep your gil printers because getting rid of them will not solve the housing shortage? Well I happen to agree (with the second part); it won't solve a supply side problem, and I've already said as much, which you just deliberately ignored trying to make your point.

Since you're either being disingenuous or actually having a hard time understanding the concept, here's a dumbed down version: No gil printers -> less reasons to hoard housing / those that own houses for reasons other than printing gil are not affected / less gil generation -> not a bad thing!

Wild idea I know.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Since you're either being disingenuous or actually having a hard time understanding the concept, here's a dumbed down version: Punishing an entire community for a few people abusing a system - > pissed off playerbase.

You are talking about removing something in a way that will harm people's enjoyment of the game because allegedly it is being abused. How bad is the abuse? Give me numbers. Since you're either being disingenuous or actually having a hard time understanding the concept, here's a dumbed down version: Give me a cost-benefit analysis and stop pretending that the cost is zero.

You never answered that question, which you just deliberately ignored trying to make your point.

Wild idea I know.

[Vahlnir]

here's a dumbed down version: Punishing an entire community for a few people abusing a system - > pissed off playerbase.[/B]

Yep. They did that before with the random timer. They are punishing everyone yet again with a lottery while failing to address the core issues with housing. We don't need them to do more things we really don't want them doing. People need to start pushing, and pushing hard, for real change.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Imo the lottery is a big improvement. Clicking on the placards favored bots over real humans. Now it's a fair chance for everyone.
It's not a fix at all, but at least breaking the ToS is not mandatory to get a house now.

I absolutely agree. There is no full on fix to this beyond more houses, but this gave the everyperson a leg up over the RMT bots, if for no other reason because they outnumber them and because they won't stand there macroing while the bots will. Its making the best of a bad situation, and hopefully we get a supply fix in the future.

[kekebear]

I'm confused. On one hand you're saying this "scheme" is not that good, have no effect on the economy, and you can do whole bunch of other easier stuff for gil. On the other you are saying it's so good that removing this would be punishing for the entire playerbase.

So which is it? Is this a good gil printing scheme or not? Kinda have to make up your mind here...

[PredatoryCatgirl]

I'm confused. On one hand you're saying this "scheme" is not that good and you can do whole bunch of other easier stuff for gil. On the other you are saying it's so good that removing this would be punishing for the entire playerbase.

So which is it? Is this a good gil printing scheme or not? Kinda have to make up your mind here...

Different people are making different arguments. Stop trying to deliberately misrepresent it as contradictory as if we're all of one mindset.