Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Roda]

I doubt there are that many who would actually play a really beastly or masculine femhroth in the first place. Something along the lines of femroe I really don't think would be too popular So, probably not too many in that camp to begin with.

Back to this argument again.
Hrothgar are intended to fill the niche of a monstrous race.
There is no point in designing the females to follow conventional/modern/regional human beauty standards when the race is SUPPOSED to fill a completely different design niche.
They don't need to be popular to be successful. They just need to fill the void of "female monster" so that those who would like to play that character type, can.
People who want "Cute" "sexy" "popular" races have au ra, viera, and miqo'te to choose from.

[Fukuro]

Well if they used the wasted resources to upgrade existing popular races then it's a win win situation for the vast majority ������

Even though I‘d love a direly needed upgrade to the character creation, missing genders just leave a bitter taste in my mouth. It kind of gives off „cheap“ Korean MMO vibes. I‘m glad they prioritized the inclusion of the missing genders first. I‘m hoping for a upgraded character creation after fem hroths get included! Must be in the realm of possibilities for a multi million company that has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of months, no?

[Rokke]

Well if they used the wasted resources to upgrade existing popular races then it's a win win situation for the vast majority ������

What upgrades do the popular races need? They're already popular as is.

[White_Wolf_X]

Well if they used the wasted resources to upgrade existing popular races then it's a win win situation for the vast majority ������

You only think is "wasted resources" because you are not going to play as one.

[RecoveryPotion]

What upgrades do the popular races need? They're already popular as is.

well the low quality scales on aura for one, humans and honestly all other older races could use some more face options. I'd love that since so many people only pick like 2 main faces out of the 4-5 we're given. a lot of people still look a like because of this.

[Rokke]

well the low quality scales on aura for one, humans and honestly all other older races could use some more face options. I'd love that since so many people only pick like 2 main faces out of the 4-5 we're given. a lot of people still look a like because of this.

"Popular" faces generally cater to a general popular aesthetic. Face 1 male Au Ra is the most generically anime-man handsome of the 4 faces. Face 1 female Au Ra has the smallest horns. Most hroths pile into the angular lion head. Most f viera are face 1 because it looks like Fran/ff12's Viera. Ironically, I think the older races have a better spread across their options than newer ones (sans m viera, if the viera thread is anything to go by).

I agree with the note on texture quality tho. imo, thats really the only things older races "need" within the confines of the current creator.

[LisSquid]

It is easier to create Viera and Hrothgar in full than to upgrade the current races. I point to the fact that they had to give Midlander a whole new face just to add that stubble.

The absolute overhaul the system would need to bring miqo, au ra, etc to Viera/Hrothgar standards in textures and fidelity (and for all their brokenness, they actually do look much better. Sitting at the retainer bell in Gridania and looking at how light and shadow plays off my ShB quality face, or even Viera hands, vs ARR Miqo is cutting close to looking at Second Life avatars made by different artists) would take longer than it has taken for F Viera to get hair.

This isn't like WoW where gear is slapped onto the model via textures and some 3d assets. They would have to go through years of assets because those make up your character model. When you slap on a pair of shorts, you're not actually putting on just the shorts. You are equipping a whole new pair of legs. If you want to see this in action: Take a pair of bridemaids tights and the 2b leggings. Go to a place where you can move a light source around, and play with it as you swap between the two models. The difference in textures alone is insane.

[Senn]

It doesn't matter if it's niche or "not a lot of people will play it". Some people will play it. It brings diversity to the world, and I think that's really important when it comes to character customization. Some people will say "you shouldn't add diversity into the game for diversity's sake", but in this context, I think they are absolutely wrong. It should be for diversity's sake. The point of character customization is to offer a diverse set of options to customize your character. That's the whole point. Ok, look, if it was an absolutely ridiculous race like... part zombie, cow, bird, pig, bear, then yeah, it shouldn't be added. There are limits, but we're not talking about something crazy unreasonable like that. The ladies already have options to choose from if they want something beautiful or cute, but no options for beastly. Also, it's not as if I think female hrothgar are going to be masculine. I think they will maintain some femininity (most likely will be big and curvy), but I would be totally cool with it if they were more on the bulky side, too. What I don't understand is why some people are so adverse to the idea, especially when they have other options that fit their aesthetic already in the game.

I'm not going to play hrothgar since it's not my thing, but I enjoy seeing them in the world because they look different. They are very eye catching and sometimes I find myself stopping what I'm doing just to take a look and appreciate the model. It makes everything feel much more immersive and breathes life into the game. I think a lot of people feel this way. Just because a bigger/bulky/masculine female hrothgar doesn't cater to me doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. I saw some of the artwork of the more hefty looking female hrothgars and it looked awesome (even if I don't think they will end up looking like that). And just a side note, but I do think character customization should be improved in general. I would really like it if all races had more options to choose from.

Square should definitely hire you for the concept art. Some would say that I'm a furry, but you know what? I'm cool with that. Like, I do love the Hrothgars since they look the most beastly while others look pretty humanoid or demi-humans(non-Humans who look very Human if you will). Finished playing FFX via Xbox game pass, and I love the Ronso for the sole reason that I love anthro cats(thanks to shows like thunder cats and SWAT Katz).

Kind of a late response, but thank you!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It doesn't matter if it's niche or "not a lot of people will play it". Some people will play it. It brings diversity to the world, and I think that's really important when it comes to character customization. Some people will say "you shouldn't add diversity into the game for diversity's sake", but in this context, I think they are absolutely wrong. It should be for diversity's sake. The point of character customization is to offer a diverse set of options to customize your character. That's the whole point. Ok, look, if it was an absolutely ridiculous race like... part zombie, cow, bird, pig, bear, then yeah, it shouldn't be added. There are limits, but we're not talking about something crazy unreasonable like that. The ladies already have options to choose from if they want something beautiful or cute, but no options for beastly. Also, it's not as if I think female hrothgar are going to be masculine. I think they will maintain some femininity (most likely will be big and curvy), but I would be totally cool with it if they were more on the bulky side, too. What I don't understand is why some people are so adverse to the idea, especially when they have other options that fit their aesthetic already in the game.

I'm not going to play hrothgar since it's not my thing, but I enjoy seeing them in the world because they look different. They are very eye catching and sometimes I find myself stopping what I'm doing just to take a look and appreciate the model. It makes everything feel much more immersive and breathes life into the game. I think a lot of people feel this way. Just because a bigger/bulky/masculine female hrothgar doesn't cater to me doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. I saw some of the artwork of the more hefty looking female hrothgars and it looked awesome (even if I don't think they will end up looking like that). And just a side note, but I do think character customization should be improved in general. I would really like it if all races had more options to choose from.

That "Niche" is the point and pretty much the Pitch for Diversity. But overall I agree with Everything you are saying.

Whats really weird is The Viera thread gets all this support saying "Oh yeah, if people are asking for it, then its totally valid". But then here we are with the Furry Race; Hrothgar, and now its all "Wasted Resources" Its rather curious.

[LisSquid]

I don't think it's much of a mystery as to why people thing F Hrothgar are a "waste of resources and time".

We know they are coming, so the devs have decided that they aren't actually a waste of time. They said the moment Hrothgar were announced that they were made to fill a niche, and I don't have any doubts that this is the direction they will take F Hrothgar as well.