Thoughts on Relocation removal

[Lissandra]

I am not sure he stated that upon the intial release of the Empyreum housing district 6.1, that the brand new plots that are first come/first served will be on a timer. Only the plots in the other districts will go on a timer if players relinquish land to move to Empyreum when it launches or a different district. If he did I missed it.

He never mentioned that as far as I am aware. To me, first come first served should never be on a timer since they are fresh plots. Just have there be more lottery-based plots than FCFS.

[FrogDog]

Lottery wards will be bad because the competition for one plot will be huge (probably hundreds of people will enter and your chance to win it will be less than 1%). Say thanks to the people who were begging for this horrible system, lol. Be careful what you ask for!

I agree that the lottery system will be a terrible system but without the ability to trade up for a better plot through relocation I fail to see any value left in the current placard system. I'd rather see the lottery system be universal rather than have placard camping remain in any form. The 24hr hidden timer and bot competition is easily the worst and most sadistic system I've seen in an MMO.

Since we can't get instanced housing and we have to have dead neighborhoods though, we just get one bad decision piled onto the next with XIV's housing.

[Arazehl]

My only issue is I have a solo FC so am I required to have 3 other people in mines just to relocate? Or is it just for new starter FC’s?

So you got a house as an FC, but not using it right now in the way that it was intended, with it's restrictions of at least 4 members? I think FC housing should not be permitted to be owned unless it has the required members and SE should send out demolish notices base on the less than 4 members. People shouldn't be buying FC houses as private residences or own them as such.

[Arazehl]

He never mentioned that as far as I am aware. To me, first come first served should never be on a timer since they are fresh plots. Just have there be more lottery-based plots than FCFS.

Yeah I think you're right.

[Sotaris]

I already own 2 lovely perma plots (personal & solo FC), so this doesn't affect me. The change is bad for people who are trying to upgrade to a bigger plot, but maybe good for players who are trying to get their 1st plot (at least in "first come, first served" wards, if those will still exist in 6.0+).

Lottery wards will be bad because the competition for one plot will be huge (probably hundreds of people will enter and your chance to win it will be less than 1%). Say thanks to the people who were begging for this horrible system, lol. Be careful what you ask for!

Get your plots ASAP, before the changes! RIP & good luck.

This really hit on it. And some of us on this forum said this every since it was known but you always have the yes-sayers ignoring that and praise every change.
It also the reason we got the random timer in the first place cause there was some people wanting it and here we are.

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Now to answer the OP and thread,

I think it’s a really bad idea. I understand the need for some changes but this it hurting so many players who want a bigger house or want to move to new area.

There is so many other things they could adjusted and got a similar outcome towards flippers (which I would assume is the biggest reason to fight with this?)

- Limit relocation to every 90 days and 1 time during that period.
- Lotto is fine as is, I think it gonna flop in any case and PLL didn't really change my mind on that.
- Even with the timer, it could just been limited to ranom 1-5 hour instead of 24 hours it is now when it most common to get available first after 8-9 hours.

If I understood this correctly relocation is being nuked from the game so any one dreaming of upgrading or moving to Ishgard (including me) that dream is now shattered. it come to my attention we still can kinda relocate, we just gotta all do the lottery thing so let all players suffer, I guess? Still think it's a really terrible system.

[Chrisnetika]

So you got a house as an FC, but not using it right now in the way that it was intended, with it's restrictions of at least 4 members? I think FC housing should not be permitted to be owned unless it has the required members and SE should send out demolish notices base on the less than 4 members. People shouldn't be buying FC houses as private residences or own them as such.

Spot on, to add to that pretty tiring seeing everyone and their pet dog have their own fc then take over lots with only 1 member in their fc. Other month saw a 2 person fc with a mansion and was shaking my head. I think more can be done to fine tune the housing like have certain amount of members depending on the lot and so on.

[TwistedTea]

So you got a house as an FC, but not using it right now in the way that it was intended, with it's restrictions of at least 4 members? I think FC housing should not be permitted to be owned unless it has the required members and SE should send out demolish notices base on the less than 4 members. People shouldn't be buying FC houses as private residences or own them as such.

FC members quit playing the game. From your perspective, you would have legit FCs of 3 or less members who lost a member either, lose their house or be forced to recruit members whom they might not gel with.

Also, the restriction is 4 characters to purchase a FC house from the placard and these all can be alts on the same service account.

SE's website states, a player is allowed to purchase a personal and a FC house.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Bleh I was about to start a thread but it took so long to write there are already several lol

Here are my thoughts:

Like many people here I love the housing feature, and I was dissatisfied with how plot purchasing was being handled until now. It's a very frustrating, exhausting and time-consuming process.
So a lottery system is a welcome change! Everyone gets the same chance to own the plot they're after (if their schedule matches with the lottery schedule).

However, I'm concerned about the removal of the relocation feature.

Each housing area has its own uniqueness and internal architecture. So that is also a big choice when you're deciding where you want your house to be.
Until now, if you already owned a plot, by relocating you could bypass the internal timer. This gave you a significant advantage when a new housing area or ward was released, or when a plot you were coveting was free, as you could instantly move there.
In a lot of people's cases, it was a way to secure a plot in the hopes of moving to a better one in the area of their choice, even if that meant spending more gil (empty plot fee + relocation fee).

So, for example, I was lucky enough to purchase my small plot 2 years ago in Shirogane, which was the only plot available on my server at that time. I think I spent 6 hours clicking on the placard, and it was the third plot I was trying to get. The only reason I got it was in the hopes of an Ishgard housing area (which was eventually announced). It was a long-time investment, and I was happy to have a way to immediately move in the area I wanted.

The removal of the relocation feature, as far as I understand, means that this long-time investment is basically rendered null. So players who have worked very hard until now to get a plot with the current system lose that advantage.
Basically, we've all become new house hunters, even if we already own a house.
Of course, some people might not really care about where their house is, as long as they own one, but conversely, if I want a house in a certain housing area that is completely full, I don't really care about all the free plots in other housing areas.

So while the lottery system is absolutely fair for new house hunters, I find this a bit unfair to the players who had made preparations (and invested tons of time and gil) to move to a different housing area (be it Empyreum, or getting one of the plots left behind by someone who'd just moved there).
Is this something that the dev team has considered while designing the lottery system? Isn't there a way to give a slight advantage to current plot owners, like VIP lottery tickets?
Also, something that wasn't really mentioned: do you still get a discount if you want to relocate to the plot you're applying for, or do you have to pay the full price?

[Nepentha]

It puts an end to the reselling of plots, which in my book is a win. Ward scanning to snap up larges and mediums that demo, and then sell the relocation to for vast sums is dead in the water. As is relocating FC plots to for the purpose of selling the FC in its entirety for hundreds of millions of gil. Puts everyone on an even playing field.

[Siniztor]

S.E. Just needs to stop with the band aid fixs flat out there had 2 years to have a team redo the housing into instance so everyone could have a house. Its not hard many games have it.. They proved they can do it with Apartments.. Just make it so houses are like that and remove outdoor deco.. Put gardens on the door to your GC along with Airships and work shops so everyone in a FC or Not have access. Its not rocket science. They keep making the Jobs easier to play and housing harder then it needs to be..