Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[_Pigzig]

There wouldn't have been a core playerbase without trust in the devs, though. My friend who's been playing since 1.0 Launch has shared with me some interesting things, such as PDFs of the timelines they shared with their playerbase etc etc.

There was a loss of trust but some of that had been regained from the devs showing that they honestly wanted the game to at least *work*. There's absolutely none of that with NW. No openness, no trust at all. It's a dumpsterfire that looks pretty (like 1.0) without the new team involved to toss the dumpsterfire out and make a garden instead.

Yeah but I think most people who play now never knew about any of this. 2.0 was successful because they made a different game and it was good. All I knew about 1.0 was what youtubers and people who ripped it to shreds said. It was one of those games people loved to hate.
What Square did do well though was communicate how different 2.0 was going to be. They even made A Realm Reborn the prominent title on the box, Final Fantasy was only underneath. This trend actually continued. You see ENDWALKER and then FFXIV online underneath.
A lot of the playerbase now aren't even Final Fantasy fans, a lot of people I've talked to don't know the Crystal Tower is a big FF3 reference. The success just seems to be plain old buzz and word of mouth about the game.

[MilkieTea]

Yeah but I think most people who play now never knew about any of this. 2.0 was successful because they made a different game and it was good. All I knew about 1.0 was what youtubers and people who ripped it to shreds said. It was one of those games people loved to hate.
What Square did do well though was communicate how different 2.0 was going to be. They even made A Realm Reborn the prominent title on the box, Final Fantasy was only underneath. This trend actually continued. You see ENDWALKER and then FFXIV online underneath.
A lot of the playerbase now aren't even Final Fantasy fans, a lot of people I've talked to don't know the Crystal Tower is a big FF3 reference. The success just seems to be plain old buzz and word of mouth about the game.

I feel like we've got the same point we're just at different parts of that point ahah.

2.0 onward wouldn't be where it is now without the 1.0 players sticking around during the Free play period and putting enough trust in the devs to be willing to start paying again when they said they'd need to reactivate the subscription model. It honestly wouldn't have made it without that trust. New World doesn't have that - it's a corporate game with zero soul and absolutely no brand identity. My whole point was it feels NW is trying to pull a NW 2.0 ("OOPS, too much, gotta burn it down, pls trust us as we fix it!") But without any of the other reasons XIV 2.0 worked.

[Vyrerus]

I feel like we've got the same point we're just at different parts of that point ahah.

2.0 onward wouldn't be where it is now without the 1.0 players sticking around during the Free play period and putting enough trust in the devs to be willing to start paying again when they said they'd need to reactivate the subscription model. It honestly wouldn't have made it without that trust. New World doesn't have that - it's a corporate game with zero soul and absolutely no brand identity. My whole point was it feels NW is trying to pull a NW 2.0 ("OOPS, too much, gotta burn it down, pls trust us as we fix it!") But without any of the other reasons XIV 2.0 worked.

That's how I felt about Destiny dropping Destiny and moving onto Destiny 2.

[Vahlnir]

That's how I felt about Destiny dropping Destiny and moving onto Destiny 2.

Destiny 2 had an okay start, but it was just down hill from there. Even after Bungie left Activision, which in my opinion is the best thing they could have done, the quality of the game continued to decline. And it hasn't gotten any better since. They've made a lot of questionable decisions. It's clear that they have no idea what they want the game to be. At this point Destiny 2 is basically free advertising for Warframe. lol

[Vyrerus]

Destiny 2 had an okay start, but it was just down hill from there. Even after Bungie left Activision, which in my opinion is the best thing they could have done, the quality of the game continued to decline. And it hasn't gotten any better since. They've made a lot of questionable decisions. It's clear that they have no idea what they want the game to be. At this point Destiny 2 is basically free advertising for Warframe. lol

Destiny 2's start for me was a pile of, "Yuck!" I know it's a bit different now since my GF picked it up with her sisters and we've played together since. Just when it released... there were no good exotics. Telesto wasn't nearly as busted as it is now. Shotguns and Snipers were suddenly considered "Power" ammo instead of Special, with terms being changed for absolutely no reason.

Kinetic -> Primary
Special -> Energy
Heavy -> Power

What were they smoking? Shotguns and Rocket Launchers aren't in the same class @_@