White-mage is doomed - and why

[QooEr]

WHM doesnt even a lot to make up for the thin air nerf. A simple buff to assize to make it give 1000 mp instead of 500 would bring it more in line with the other healers

... except ast. astrodyne mp regen needs to be nerfed because 3k mp a minute is just busted

[Mortex]

WHM doesnt even a lot to make up for the thin air nerf. A simple buff to assize to make it give 1000 mp instead of 500 would bring it more in line with the other healers

... except ast. astrodyne mp regen needs to be nerfed because 3k mp a minute is just busted

I mean astro was always busted or meh. Astro since its debut was either bad/meh or so much better then whm. And thats all because as long as whm has his new player friendly healer stigma the job will never get any good tools or interactive and fun job mechanics. The healer job category must for whatever reason have a "new player friendly healer" and also dont forget they dont want to give them new downtime damage spells because it pressures you just by having them, that in my eyes is total bogus, yes of course a lot of us get a bit grumpy in this situations but im also pretty sure that almost no one is gonna write about it in "unfriendly" way, and then be silent about it. Vurebots dont care if they have more buttons or less buttons they dont press them either way.

[Sunako]

WHM doesnt even a lot to make up for the thin air nerf. A simple buff to assize to make it give 1000 mp instead of 500 would bring it more in line with the other healers

... except ast. astrodyne mp regen needs to be nerfed because 3k mp a minute is just busted

Another solution would be make lily have 115 potency attack. That would make it dps neutral after Misery.

[Shurrikhan]

Another solution would be make lily have 115 potency attack. That would make it dps neutral after Misery.

A 115 potency attack consumer for Lily would sacrifice 185 potency per gcd relative to Glare (38% efficiency), versus Misery's 900 potency over 4 GCDs, relative to Glare's 1200 (75% efficiency, or ultimately 100 potency wasted per GCD thus spent on a Lily skill -- or 75 each if including Misery itself)...

If we want truly no potency penalty for Misery, you just... increase it to the potency of as many GCDs of Glare (1200). I don't think we quite need that, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to our cool/iconic/signature nuke being stronger (and thereby nearer to dps-neutral).

Ultimately, though, the make-or-break matter for Misery is simply whether we have something to cleave. It's a Glare-and-a-half more dps over a fight per enemy thereby cleaved (minus the opportunity cost of one Holy). At two targets, that's a balance aid. By three targets, it can be a significant feature. (Frankly, if we had the likes of an O3S add phase again, it could put WHM heads and shoulders above SCH, especially.)

115 potency lily would be 115 x 3 = 345 potency + 900 misery = 1245 potency

Ah, sorry. I had forgotten about the 10-potency bump to Glare come Endwalker and mistakenly assumed that the direct DPS option would not ready the Blood Lily. (Most ideas regarding Lily offensive casts have been to offer direct damage as an alternative to banking towards Misery.)

I worry even then, though, that unless healing truly stays as pitiful in its requirements as now such still wouldn't be dps-neutral, as you could easily thereby end up having to spend two further GCDs, at least once per 90 seconds, on healing, due to the 2100 or 900n healing potency lost for the mere 345 offensive potency.

Moreover, it's an extra button that siphons away from your iconic nuke and healing-to-damage feedback loop. Is that really worth it -- especially as compared to just... buffing Misery, or even just turning Misery into a (perhaps faintly lower potency) oGCD that can be spent at variable counts of lilies readied (e.g., 280 potency and 140 to further targets per Blood Lily consumed, with each Lily consumed forming a Blood Lily)?

[Sunako]

A 115 potency attack consumer for Lily would sacrifice 185 potency per gcd relative to Glare (38% efficiency), versus Misery's 900 potency over 4 GCDs, relative to Glare's 1200 (75% efficiency, or ultimately 100 potency wasted per GCD thus spent on a Lily skill -- or 75 each if including Misery itself)...

If we want truly no potency penalty for Misery, you just... increase it to the potency of as many GCDs of Glare (1200). I don't think we quite need that, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to our cool/iconic/signature nuke being stronger (and thereby nearer to dps-neutral).

Ultimately, though, the make-or-break matter for Misery is simply whether we have something to cleave. It's a Glare-and-a-half more dps over a fight per enemy thereby cleaved (minus the opportunity cost of one Holy). At two targets, that's a balance aid. By three targets, it can be a significant feature. (Frankly, if we had the likes of an O3S add phase again, it could put WHM heads and shoulders above SCH, especially.)

115 potency lily would be 115 x 3 = 345 potency + 900 misery = 1245 potency

4x glares are 310 x 4 = 1240 potency

That's how it would be dps neutral, if you don't have to use lilies for healing.