Extreme over correction in ToS? New ToS is going to kill pugging

[Kaliesto]

I see nothing wrong with these rules, I thought for too long there was a bit of a elitist bent going on with Savage Raids specifically that was causing a lot of problems and Gate-outs.

Maybe this will stop some of that nonsense.

[Floortank]

Be nice to people or don't say anything. I've been furious plenty of times in FFXIV and very glad I kept my thoughts to myself. Show a little self control if you want the right to talk. Stop treating interaction like it's something you're owed.


edited aside:

Now I kinda want to make a character named Professor Raid LOL Sorry, not to take away from the meaning of your post, which I agree with...I just chuckled about that, is all! LOL

Do it

[Gothicshark]

..this is going to kill pugging...

Nope, no change at all.

1. Expressions that compel a playing style

Every single point in the clarification was a point that could have already gotten you banned, they just made it more clear as to why. If you complain about how a player plays the game it has always been a violation of the TOS, I have reported plenty of people for it over the years, as it's usually bullying, if you don't like the way someone is playing leave, harping in chat is toxic.

2. Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, ...

This has always been their policy, they banned a Twitch Stream over this already. No it does not mean they care about your discord group, but if you are streaming and call someone out in your stream you will find yourself banned.

3. Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule

No passive aggressive bullying, something that could already get you banned, and something I have reported a lot over the years, no change in policy, they just made it more clear.

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't understand all of the paranoia.

This does not prevent anyone from talking in chat. I do sincerely hope that it make people reflect first, which isn't a bad thing, because it can very difficult to communicate just by chat.

We're already seen that putting into chat "Stance!" (as an example) could be seen as abrupt or a demand if it's done when the group just standing around. However if the healer or the DPS is taking a beating by 3 groups or running with the tank, then that's probably all the typing they can get out.

Basic rule- this is a social game, work with the mindset that you aren't playing with NPCs, there is always a human being behind the screen whether you know them or not, they deserve basic politeness for the time that you're together.

Worst case if you cannot simply deal with someone, or a group, not even to endure a 15 minute dungeon, leave and take the penalty without making a fuss.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Glad this doesn't affect me, because unlike most people, I don't have a rotten attitude towards others over a game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This Thread

Way more entertaining then the Viera Thread.

But in all seriousness. Constructive Criticism, People make mistakes, be HELPFUL to the situation.
Singling people out and being toxic towards them doesn't help anything, and the Persons having issues don't learn from it. They wont improve if you dont Help Them understand.

[lezard21]

Glad this doesn't affect me, because unlike most people, I don't have a rotten attitude towards others over a game.

Yet here you are being condescending to others, which was one of the examples given in the ToS modification of untolerable behaviour.

[ZedxKayn]

Why do people keep ignoring probably the most blatant example, "don't join this party if you can't do y" when in basically no context should this be bannable, and instead would rather call concerned players assholes and doomposters?

[Katie_Kitty]

I see nothing wrong with these rules, I thought for too long there was a bit of a elitist bent going on with Savage Raids specifically that was causing a lot of problems and Gate-outs.

Maybe this will stop some of that nonsense.

quit trolling lmao

[Floortank]

Why do people keep ignoring probably the most blatant example, "don't join this party if you can't do y" when in basically no context should this be bannable, and instead would rather call concerned players assholes and doomposters?

Why should anyone call that out? You can keep someone from joining your own private parties in your own private content quite easily. You don't have any right to bar them from public access content.