Concerns with Astrologian in Endwalker

[Mortex]

I am Japanese, so some of my English may be strange.

Japanese astrologers are
Whether the symbols can be arranged in triplicate
about the effects of the Minor Arcana.
There is some debate.

I am of the opinion that in order to maximize the effect of having three symbols in a row, the symbols should be lit without pushing them out.
I also believe that the Minor Arcana should be kept in one frame of draw and play.

I am glad to see that people overseas are taking astrologers seriously.

Thanks for that information. I think at this point people don’t take white mage serious anymore, with how much abilities astrology got.

[Shigure_A]

Thank you for sharing!

The only other forum I can read is French and my devices refuse to translate the Japanese page.

It’s great to hear from our friends around!

There are many other discussions going on.
I'm glad you like it!

Thanks for that information. I think at this point people don’t take white mage serious anymore, with how much abilities astrology got.

Don't worry, there's been some discussion about white mages too!
I sincerely hope that the scholars and Sage will also enjoy it.

[Mortex]

Don't worry, there's been some discussion about white mages too!
I sincerely hope that the scholars and Sage will also enjoy it.

Would you pls tell me what the japanese community thinks about white mage at the moment ?.
I think for myself its even more in a worse state then ever before and wont win vs astro in any way.

[Shigure_A]

Would you pls tell me what the japanese community thinks about white mage at the moment ?.
I think for myself its even more in a worse state then ever before and wont win vs astro in any way.

Everyone in Japan is scratching their heads, but I dare say that the change in Thin Air's specifications will affect many places. That seems to be what is troubling them.
I'm not comparing it to other jobs, I'm only looking at the White Mage, so I'm focusing on the ease of use of skills, etc. rather than simple strength.

[Recon1o6]

Everyone in Japan is scratching their heads, but I dare say that the change in Thin Air's specifications will affect many places. That seems to be what is troubling them.
I'm not comparing it to other jobs, I'm only looking at the White Mage, so I'm focusing on the ease of use of skills, etc. rather than simple strength.

It appears japan and the rest of the world are in agreement then. White Mage's Thin Air change is a rather painful hit to the job.


In terms of Astrologian. I'm firmly in the camp of the buffs should be unique and not 6 balances that are too weak to see without a parser.
I'm also noting that Astrodyne can be triggered early if OOM

Its good to see it got some time healing at last in the form of exaltation. It looks like it will require even less healing honestly. So now those of you that play astro- are you looking forward to even MOAR malefic spam?
Because that's what it seems to be showing.

[ty_taurus]

Everyone in Japan is scratching their heads, but I dare say that the change in Thin Air's specifications will affect many places. That seems to be what is troubling them.
I'm not comparing it to other jobs, I'm only looking at the White Mage, so I'm focusing on the ease of use of skills, etc. rather than simple strength.

There are a few things about White Mage that confuse me as well. It's supposed to be easy and simple, yet its healing spells (Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica, Medica II, Regen, Lily Heals) are actually tricky to understand which ones are most useful for a new player. This can be difficult for casual healers and they run the risk of wasting MP on healing that is not effective. White Mage should be guiding healers to understanding how to heal most effectively and making it easy to do so.

Thin Air was one of its best assets, and I don't understand why they wanted to make it weaker. It was one of the main selling points of playing White Mage over other healers, and now, I don't feel like it has any real advantages that other healers don't have or have more of.

[Gemina]

It appears japan and the rest of the world are in agreement then. White Mage's Thin Air change is a rather painful hit to the job.

It's a 'meh' skill, and needs to be looked at even further. If AST and SCH can get by without Thin Air at all, WHM most certainly can get by with the change to it. Lucid addresses about 90% of the MP issues across all casters, and the remainder can be taken care of with Super Ethers as the HQ restores 18%. This is despite the lengthy 5m cooldown. Anything on top of this basically gives the caster a nigh unlimited MP pool that is compromised only when the encounter also becomes compromised.

Nearly all of WHM healing is free, and that along with Assize and Thin Air undoubtedly gives WHM the best MP economy among the healers. I don't see this changing in EW.

[Maltothoris]

Well as of now with the current endwalker changes being made before hand, ffxivmomo puts it best into perspective.

" It really can't be compared to Aetherflow or Draw as Aetherflow is 2,000 MP every 60s and Draw is 500MP restored every 30s. Thin Air is 400 MP saved every 60s at minimum and you're not going to be using Medica 2 or Cure 3 every 60s. WHM also casts more in a fight due to the POM change letting them get more GCDs than the other healers. The issue with WHM MP currently is that it goes out OOM at 6 minutes casting zero GCD heals and you compare that to the other healers where AST and SCH are sitting comfy at the 10 minute+ range and SGE running out at around 9 minutes and you have some big issues." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwgfA9MaRN8&t=39s

There's also astrodyne as which is another reason as to why Astro now has the best mp economy.

This is why i do think trhat either A) they'll revert the thin air change to back how it was or B) make it that the next 3 spells or so cost less mp. Of course, this is all in a vacuum but lets say there would be more tumult type aoe enrages all around. Whm would quicly bottom out since the best way to get everyone back would be cure 3 but of course, we'd have to wait and see.

[Silver-Strider]

It's a 'meh' skill, and needs to be looked at even further. If AST and SCH can get by without Thin Air at all, WHM most certainly can get by with the change to it. Lucid addresses about 90% of the MP issues across all casters, and the remainder can be taken care of with Super Ethers as the HQ restores 18%. This is despite the lengthy 5m cooldown. Anything on top of this basically gives the caster a nigh unlimited MP pool that is compromised only when the encounter also becomes compromised.

Nearly all of WHM healing is free, and that along with Assize and Thin Air undoubtedly gives WHM the best MP economy among the healers. I don't see this changing in EW.

SCH and AST have more oGCDs and less costly GCD heals than WHM. The Lily abilities are not comparable to SCH and AST oGCD because they don't come at the cost of their damage, which is all WHM has to offer in a group environment and Misery will be even more of a DPS loss since Glare is getting a potency increase while Misery does not.

SCH lost the MP restore from E.Drain but Aetherflow got buffed to 20% MP restored to compensate
AST lost Sleeve Draw and 3% MP from Draw but got Astrodyne to compensate.
WHM got Thin Air nerfed and NOTHING to compensate for it. In fact, the buff to PoM is even more of a nerf to WHM's MP economy because now we burn thru our MP even faster.

To believe that WHM isn't going to go back to being the worst Healer in the game come EW is ludicrous.

[MintnHoney]

I'm also noting that Astrodyne can be triggered early if OOM

Actually, if we're going by the tooltip provided by the Media Tour, it requires the AST to have 3 seals, regardless of combination, before it can be used.