Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Baxcel]

The new TOS is awful for anyone who values free speech. It is awful for anyone with critical thinking and deductive reasoning.

The new TOS will be heavily abused to censor anyone who dares to criticize.

You can't force people to be nice to one another. It doesn't work

You don't get free speech with a private company, you follow their rules or you leave that's all there is to it.

The new ToS seem to be upsetting a lot of people who tend to be seen as rude here on the forums, kinda makes you wonder if they're rhe same way ingame (not meaning you just a general observation from the 30+ pages here)

Your right they can't force people to be nice.. but they can ban people from the game for not being civil.

[Haseno]

You don't get free speech with a private company, you follow their rules or you leave that's all there is to it.

The new ToS seem to be upsetting a lot of people who tend to be seen as rude here on the forums, kinda makes you wonder if they're rhe same way ingame (not meaning you just a general observation from the 30+ pages here)

Your right they can't force people to be nice.. but they can ban people from the game for not being civil.

Free Speech exists in the legal sense as well as the cultural sense. Most people focus on the legal sense and ignore the culture part. A private company, while free to make their own rules, doesn't place them above criticism for bad rules and decisions. And I don't tolerate being forced to be nice to everyone when you aren't entitled to kindness. You can't force the golden rule on people, it doesn't work that way.

Furthermore, civility is entirely subjective and varies from culture to culture and country to country.

When I can't constructively criticize someone without fear of a GM visit then the policy is a failure.

I want to help people become better players and I want to associate myself with better players. If I can be disciplined for trying to do that. Then the rules and policy are a failure. Nobody should have to walk on eggshells around anyone else for fear of retribution. And the fact that will be the outcome is repressive in nature.

Bad TOS changes are bad. Indisputably.

If you can't handle criticism. Don't play a game that requires you to compete and cooperate at a level with others. That goes for anyone.

Better yet, if you can't handle being offended. You are the one who needs to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity. Not demand others conform to your will.

[Nestama]

You can still give advice/suggestions, though...

[Vahlnir]

Free Speech exists in the legal sense as well as the cultural sense. Most people focus on the legal sense and ignore the culture part. A private company, while free to make their own rules, doesn't place them above criticism for bad rules and decisions. And I don't tolerate being forced to be nice to everyone when you aren't entitled to kindness. You can't force the golden rule on people, it doesn't work that way.

Furthermore, civility is entirely subjective and varies from culture to culture and country to country.

When I can't constructively criticize someone without fear of a GM visit then the policy is a failure.

I want to help people become better players and I want to associate myself with better players. If I can be disciplined for trying to do that. Then the rules and policy are a failure. Nobody should have to walk on eggshells around anyone else for fear of retribution. And the fact that will be the outcome is repressive in nature.

Bad TOS changes are bad. Indisputably.

If you can't handle criticism. Don't play a game that requires you to compete and cooperate at a level with others. That goes for anyone.

And you can do all of the above without being a jerk. It's a shame that this seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of people, and yet they wonder why they get treated like children sometimes. They shouldn't need to be told to be civil to begin with, but here we are.

[Izar_Chillen]

We certainly don't have to, and I will continue to exercise my right to drop a group if I so wish to. I appreciate the thought though, and hey, if you play to a bare minimum standard of competency, I'd have been more than happy to tank or heal for you! Maybe even go DNC and give you partner, since I rarely get to do much on DNC anymore despite it being my old raid main. ; n;

Thankfully, as many have clarified since I was last on the forums this morning, that particular part is related specifically to forcefully disconnecting yourself from the game in an effort to get kicked and avoid the 30 minute penalty entirely.

The rest of the "nuisance behavior" changes are still giant jokes, though. But anything I could say about them has already been said in the hours I've been at work, so I'll just go back to slapping the like button on anything I agree with. Also apologies for the long response time, Izar - it's been a day, let me tell ya.

Dealing with people like you describe , reminds me of my days working in a recovery hospital ( people surviving serious surgeries and need to be moved out of a main hospital to get 1to1 care) .

Working amongst that for years was tough.


When I play ff14 I dont want to walk on egg shells , nor be a care bear either. Generally I type almost nothing in chat at the start of a roulette (i mostly tank and heal dungeons) and keep dps runs to squadrons and trusts unless its 80 roulettes then i just alt tab and watch youtube or something whilst waiting for a pop. Its easier this way. Ive had enough of allowing things to make me miserable , and ive grown to not let bad players make me wish i hadn't logged on.

Its better to ignore them entirely because they are far and few between when it comes to the randoms i get put in place with , ther ones that are useless or bad due to laziness or arrogance , i blank out . they are just images on a screen .

I can ignore them as its usually me tanking , i just keep those mobs coming , hitting them fast and many. if i die because the healer is a cure 1 spammer , then we raise and carry on . i say nothing unless , if the healer is genuinely trying, they almost always apologise and i will always tell them its not a problem and give them a smile. I dont mean it im not actually happy at all but it doesn't matter, make peace and carry on.


If serious sh1tty behaviour was the norm , i wouldn't even give this game the time of day . my time and peace of mind comes first . like you i imagine i leave when i see sh1tty behaviour , yet if its just a slow run , despite wishing i had been placed with veterans that were on alts doing fast dps/heals/pulls i just go with it . its just not worth feeling any frustration or hatred over something so trivial


edit: To add to this , I wish to apologise to you as I did make assumptions of you with my poor choice of words in previous replies to you .

[kaynide]

Free Speech exists in the legal sense as well as the cultural sense. Most people focus on the legal sense and ignore the culture part. A private company, while free to make their own rules, doesn't place them above criticism for bad rules and decisions. And I don't tolerate being forced to be nice to everyone when you aren't entitled to kindness. You can't force the golden rule on people, it doesn't work that way.

Furthermore, civility is entirely subjective and varies from culture to culture and country to country.

When I can't constructively criticize someone without fear of a GM visit then the policy is a failure.

I want to help people become better players and I want to associate myself with better players. If I can be disciplined for trying to do that. Then the rules and policy are a failure. Nobody should have to walk on eggshells around anyone else for fear of retribution. And the fact that will be the outcome is repressive in nature.

Bad TOS changes are bad. Indisputably.

If you can't handle criticism. Don't play a game that requires you to compete and cooperate at a level with others. That goes for anyone.

Better yet, if you can't handle being offended. You are the one who needs to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity. Not demand others conform to your will.

I mean, anyone who says “you can’t force people to be nice” seems to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder or a need to just stir up trouble when being nice should be the status quo.

Come on dude, you have a total of 6 posts on this forum… “I don’t want to be forced to be nice to people” is the issue you are going to make your forum debut over?

Is it for the “lulz”?

Moreover, Freedom of Speech literally only means protection from censorship from the government. (Assuming USA or Japan)

[Haseno]

And you can do all of the above without being a jerk. It's a shame that this seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of people, and yet they wonder why they get treated like children sometimes. They shouldn't need to be, but here we are.

Most of the time everyone does that without being a jerk. But, even when you aren't being a jerk, someone can take offense to criticism at all and use that as a justification to abuse reporting out of vindictiveness.

Too many people live in this utopia where they believe only positive and good human interaction is permissible, and tougher or more negative interaction shouldn't be.

No thanks. Welcome to the human experience. You are going to encounter people whom you disagree with, dislike, and speak their mind. If you can't handle that, then your whining shouldn't be catered to.

[Vahlnir]

You are going to encounter people whom you disagree with, dislike

You have no idea just how relatable this is right now, or even for the last 12 hours.

[kaynide]

Most of the time everyone does that without being a jerk. But, even when you aren't being a jerk, someone can take offense to criticism at all and use that as a justification to abuse reporting out of vindictiveness.

Too many people live in this utopia where they believe only positive and good human interaction is permissible, and tougher or more negative interaction shouldn't be.

No thanks. Welcome to the human experience. You are going to encounter people whom you disagree with, dislike, and speak their mind. If you can't handle that, then your whining shouldn't be catered to.

You do understand that any report is going to be handled by an actual human being who is going to review the case and see if in fact the “jerk” was indeed being a “jerk”, right? It’s not just some nebulous automated process or a “gotcha” scam game.

[Haseno]

I mean, anyone who says “you can’t force people to be nice” seems to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder or a need to just stir up trouble when being nice should be the status quo.

Come on dude, you have a total of 6 posts on this forum… “I don’t want to be forced to be nice to people” is the issue you are going to make your forum debut over?

Is it for the “lulz”?

Moreover, Freedom of Speech literally only means protection from censorship from the government. (Assuming USA or Japan)

I do have a chip on my shoulder. I pay attention to the real world and all the censorship, social engineering, and more that goes on. I play my games to escape it and now it affects that as well. And no, I literally mean you can't force people to be nice because it will have an opposite effect along with unintended consequences.

My forum posts are genuinely irrelevant, as your post count doesn't reflect your ability to be correct. Similar to.your social media likes and popularity isn't representative of your ideas being correct.

Freedom of Speech is not just a legal protection. It's an Inherent natural right all people possess. Meaning, I have the freedom to speak my mind openly. Including unpopular and controversial things. Just as I am doing now voicing my disapproval of the TOS changes.