Is bard in a bad spot right now?

[Cetonis]

I define a filler GCD as a GCD that does nothing but damage upfront with no additional effects. for example, burst shot and refulgent arrow are filler gcds because they do nothing outside of do damage. Something like old straight shot would not be a filler gcd.


I'm in the minority when I say this but i would rather having something that fixes the issue rather than a half measure.


No, I understand exactly what they mean.

Okay, but it's still not "one button" or a "one button job". You're moving the goalpost.

And you definitely don't understand the Bloodletter issue if you think two charges are a "half-measure." It's not a problem that your Bloodletter cooldown can reset all the way. That's never been something that any relevant portion of Bards have cared about. The problem has always been about the interaction with Empyreal Arrow, and specifically the need to track DoT tick timers to resolve that.

That situation is greatly improved by the second charge, because you can simply know not to use EA on 1+ charge and that's pretty much all there is to it. It's been very resilient to cursed optimizations so far as we've looked, at worst maybe one triple weave per ~6m instead of doing them on a regular basis. Shadowbringers EA-in-Ballad handling is one of the darkest cursed rabbit holes in the game, this is a vast improvement.

[Jirah]

No, I understand exactly what they mean.

Could you go more into details because I’m not sure that you do. A lot of people critique BRD like the bane of ranged but most of them only get their sources from said exaggerations. It’s the MCH thing all over again

[Easayia]

"The problem is they removed a lot of fun stuff in order to nerf bard but went overboard and now its a 1 button class."

Then your playing Bard wrong. Im never not hitting multiple buttons throughout my rotation the only spot it really slows down is with paeon the weaker song there you are holding onto everything for your burst phase and only pressing 1 button.

[Jirah]

"The problem is they removed a lot of fun stuff in order to nerf bard but went overboard and now its a 1 button class."

Then your playing Bard wrong. Im never not hitting multiple buttons throughout my rotation the only spot it really slows down is with paeon the weaker song there you are holding onto everything for your burst phase and only pressing 1 button.

This right here

No job is too dense to be a “one button class” besides makes Healers damage kit which so far no DPS come close to that amount

Jobs Can however feel automatic which even still BRD isn’t not compared to the worse offenders. And clearly you don’t understand what they took away as you didn’t mention the little nuances that SB mains love talking about it.

[ExcogEnjoyer]

This right here

No job is too dense to be a “one button class” besides makes Healers damage kit which so far no DPS come close to that amount

Jobs Can however feel automatic which even still BRD isn’t not compared to the worse offenders. And clearly you don’t understand what they took away as you didn’t mention the little nuances that SB mains love talking about it.

I love how you guys are trying to say that since bard doesn't LITERALLY only have 1 button its not a 1 button class instead of addressing the point that the class is in fact simple as fuck.

I understand that they took away the crit chance procs, thus dumbing down IJ to just a dot refresher, I understand that they removed Foe Requiem which was an iconic part of Bard's kit, which stripped it of its identity. I know they removed Refresh, which added oodles of depth to Foe Requiem. I know they removed Bard's ways of providing utility beyond "boost team damage by X and reduce damage taken by Y"

[Taranok]

BL charges should start at lower lvls once u get mage ballad for example

Honestly, I just hate how mage's ballad works. It's wanderer's minuet but with a more annoying rotation. In my eyes, they could delete AP and MB, cause BL to upgrade into PP, and a significant chunk of Bard's problems would be fixed, while also breaking the one thing giving Bard anything resembling a theme which, in this case, is actually not good.

Even having 2 stacks, it will overcap because you can get 2 procs at once, so now you just have even more button spam without fixing the underlying problem of mage's ballad. Quite an interesting solution that also just flat out arrives way too late.

[Jirah]

In my eyes, they could delete AP and MB, cause BL to upgrade into PP, and a significant chunk of Bard's problems would be fixed, while also breaking the one thing giving Bard anything resembling a theme which, in this case, is actually not good.
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This sounds like a god awful idea, let’s break BRD kneecaps just cuz and delete rather than reinvigorate which has always been the issue with their half asses reworks. Way WAY to eager to erase

[Grimoire-M]

Honestly, I just hate how mage's ballad works. It's wanderer's minuet but with a more annoying rotation. In my eyes, they could delete AP and MB, cause BL to upgrade into PP, and a significant chunk of Bard's problems would be fixed, while also breaking the one thing giving Bard anything resembling a theme which, in this case, is actually not good.

Even having 2 stacks, it will overcap because you can get 2 procs at once, so now you just have even more button spam without fixing the underlying problem of mage's ballad. Quite an interesting solution that also just flat out arrives way too late.

Honestly at the 40% rate you'll have enough time to deal with it more often than not. The only way you get screwed is if you get a double proc into an uninterrupted string of single procs (as many as you want within the duration, the cooldown timer and GCD alignment will ensure you'll always have to press something) into another double proc. That's fairly unlikely to happen in the first place. More often than not you'll get no procs at all at least once in between the doubles and singles and be able to get out of the potential logjam in time (It's a 2.56% chance of happening assuming we ignore any interim singles) so your best bet is to make sure you enter the phase with no Bloodletter stacks at all. I can see the uninterrupted cooldown timer and that moment screwing it up a bit, but those aren't the worst thing. I do agree it probably should have more charges regardless, just to account for the cooldown ticking over that duration and actually giving you an out.

Pitch Perfect's honestly worse in terms of feel because the odds aren't in favor of pressing it at 2 stacks like it used to be. In that rare window where crit buffs aligned perfectly it basically had inbuilt overcap protection. As a result if you knew you were 63% crit it was always correct to press it at 2 stacks and hold on 1, making it impossible to ever lose a stack outside of that last tick window.

[Payadopa]

I know they removed Bard's ways of providing utility beyond "boost team damage by X and reduce damage taken by Y"

But that's every job. Because the vocal minority deems everything else irrelevant.

[Warlyx]

Honestly, I just hate how mage's ballad works. It's wanderer's minuet but with a more annoying rotation. In my eyes, they could delete AP and MB, cause BL to upgrade into PP, and a significant chunk of Bard's problems would be fixed, while also breaking the one thing giving Bard anything resembling a theme which, in this case, is actually not good.

Even having 2 stacks, it will overcap because you can get 2 procs at once, so now you just have even more button spam without fixing the underlying problem of mage's ballad. Quite an interesting solution that also just flat out arrives way too late.

mage ballads is how brd worked in 2.0 all the time and for me it was tons of fun , annoying because BL could proc back to back too , the 2 stacks has been asked since forever , before that it was based on crits and once u were geared it was a proc fest sometimes , 3.0 well lets say that bowmage was a mistake.

its sad that SE didnt touch the enhanced paeon trait come 6.0 its a wasted opportunity to give paeon a buff , maybe give a free apex arrow cast after u gain 4 stacks something to make it fun :/

songs should buff the party harder but for less time but thats just imho ...ballad 1% dmg feels like a joke .