Regarding the updates to the Terms of Services (dialogue and criticism)

[Vahlnir]

Remember:

"Vote kicking for bad performance is already against TOS."

So we can't kick the trolls.

If they are purposely holding back the group's progress then yes, they can be kicked. The key, at least now, is to not make a scene of it.

[ICountFrom0]

If they are purposely holding back the group's progress then yes, they can be kicked. The key, at least now, is to not make a scene of it.

You can't prove they arn't just bad.
Pointing out how they are bad is bannable.
NOT giving a reason is bannable.
Leaving because it's going badly is a 30 minute deserter penalty.
Going AFK to get kicked to avoid the 30 minute penalty is bannable.

I have zero problems with ANY part of the update.

I am also not sure why we needed another thread on the topic.

I dont feel any stress about the changes at all, and I doubt much of the player base, who can treat others with a minimal amount of decency and respect, will either. as is often said for these things, just dont be a jerk. how hard is that for people? pretty sad when SE has to make rules because people cant avoid being a jerk if you ask me....

Because the list of bannable offences literally includes the statement that actions cause wipes.

[Kes13a]

You can't prove they arn't just bad.
Pointing out how they are bad is bannable.
NOT giving a reason is bannable.
Leaving because it's going badly is a 30 minute deserter penalty.
Going AFK to get kicked to avoid the 30 minute penalty is bannable.



Because the list of bannable offences literally includes the statement that actions cause wipes.

I am pretty sure, that if you are kicked for being a troll, and blocking progress, as you said in the other thread, again and again and again, those kicking you would have plenty of justification for doing so if you are being a troll and refusing to do mechanics.

there is a difference between being bad and being a troll. those that try to troll because they think they can get away with it now, I am sure will find that out.

I would be seriously surprised if this affects a majority of people playing, because generally, aside from a forum majority it seems, most people at least treat others decently and have never had a warning or a temp vacation due to actions in game. but feel free to push your luck if you are so inclined....

[Vahlnir]

I am pretty sure, that if you are kicked for being a troll, and blocking progress, as you said in the other thread, again and again and again, those kicking you would have plenty of justification for doing so if you are being a troll and refusing to do mechanics.

there is a difference between being bad and being a troll. those that try to troll because they think they can get away with it now, I am sure will find that out.

I would be seriously surprised if this affects a majority of people playing, because generally, aside from a forum majority it seems, most people at least treat others decently and have never had a warning or a temp vacation due to actions in game. but feel free to push your luck if you are so inclined....

What it all boils down to is something pretty basic...don't be a jerk. Even the ToS clarifies this, which some posters are conveniently leaving out. You can request that someone do something like, for example, asking for heals if you aren't getting healed enough...so long as it is considered polite by most peoples' reasonable standards.