I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

[VictoriaLuv]

yey you finally get it but 1 thing i want to correct you.
this is what all of us want, to have more healing and support to do but as was said before the fixing for all healing issues is a long and rigorous journey that if SE is going to do will take time to do cause they need to fix 8 year worth of content for that to be fixed. so while there is no immediate fix for healing issues , we don't want to spam 1 button for damage for an entire content or most time in one.
so what people are asking add 1 more button for pressing, something else to do to break the monotonous 1 button press we do most of the time, that is all , no rotation no giga brain decision just 1 more button until healing issues are fixed.

Lilybell wasn't designed to be way it is now. they changed it at last second. to be something completely totally useless. the organically was so post to proc off glares watch allowed you have control over when they popped off. but they changed . don't know why they changed it but they did. to white mage has to take damage for lily's to pop off . they were even planning on giving white mage another dps button. but someone in there healer dev team decided to pull out. cause of that. your stuck with the endwalker kit you have now.

Please hit me so i can heal my team! great game designs guys bravo

another reason why its called Holy III and not Holy II I bs you not. person working on said ability got fired sadly, not only that they nerfed dia. completely ruined thin air. they nerfed glare. new glare doesn't just old one 10 + potency increase Holy III has 10 potency increase..losing one of these staff they had pull out abilities out no were . and pray that it works.. sadly it didn't work out too well. and even yoshi-p apologized to healer community

wow i mean don't understand why scholars are upset. it cant get anymore depressing. so but good news removal of these bad healer devs. may mean we have brighter future... perhaps this is 4-5th expansion healin still sucks

[inhaledcorn]

Lilybell wasn't designed to be way it is now. they changed it at last second. to be something completely totally useless. the organically was so post to proc off glares watch allowed you have control over when they popped off. but they changed . don't know why they changed it but they did. to white mage has to take damage for lily's to pop off . they were even planning on giving white mage another dps button. but someone in there healer dev team decided to pull out. cause of that. your stuck with the endwalker kit you have now.

another reason why its called Holy III and not Holy II I bs you not. person working on said ability got fired sadly, not only that they nerfed dia. completely ruined thin air. they nerfed glare. new glare doesn't just old one 10 + potency increase Holy III has 10 potency increase...

wow i mean don't understand why scholars are upset. it cant get anymore depressing

Soooource?

Your uncle who works at SE?

You also gonna tell me you know there's a super secret DLC coming for Smash Ultimate?

[HyoMinPark]

Lilybell wasn't designed to be way it is now. they changed it at last second. to be something completely totally useless. the organically was so post to proc off glares watch allowed you have control over when they popped off. but they changed . don't know why they changed it but they did. to white mage has to take damage for lily's to pop off . they were even planning on giving white mage another dps button. but someone in there healer dev team decided to pull out. cause of that. your stuck with the endwalker kit you have now.

Please hit me so i can heal my team! great game designs guys bravo

another reason why its called Holy III and not Holy II I bs you not. person working on said ability got fired sadly, not only that they nerfed dia. completely ruined thin air. they nerfed glare. new glare doesn't just old one 10 + potency increase Holy III has 10 potency increase..losing one of these staff they had pull out abilities out no were . and pray that it works.. sadly it didn't work out too well. and even yoshi-p apologized to healer community

wow i mean don't understand why scholars are upset. it cant get anymore depressing. so but good news removal of these bad healer devs. may mean we have brighter future... perhaps this is 4-5th expansion healin still sucks

You can’t go on just the potency values alone. Especially considering our stats are getting squished in 6.0—for all we know, the potencies in the current tooltips are the stat-squished equivalents we have now. You need to wait on the theorycrafters to get their hands on the jobs and test the numbers and potencies in action instead of going off of the tooltip potency at face-value.

Other than that, Imma need some sources on all these development tidbits you have in here. No need for fancy MLA, APA, or Chicago formatting. A link to your print source will more than suffice.

Yo, where did your sig go?
You had one earlier today, but now it's just gone.

Sometimes when I edit posts on mobile, my “keep your signature” gets unchecked. It’s still there, though. Just playing hide and seek.

[Talaris]

Lilybell wasn't designed to be way it is now. they changed it at last second. to be something completely totally useless. the organically was so post to proc off glares watch allowed you have control over when they popped off. but they changed . don't know why they changed it but they did. to white mage has to take damage for lily's to pop off . they were even planning on giving white mage another dps button. but someone in there healer dev team decided to pull out. cause of that. your stuck with the endwalker kit you have now.

Please hit me so i can heal my team! great game designs guys bravo

Honestly its pretty close to what I wanted out of a healing spell.It just needs some polish.

Im a vet of both EverQuest and EQ2 where I was much more hardcore than I am now, and SOE made this type of spell the mainstay of the Templar and Inquisitor classes. It missed the mark slightly from the Norrathian version, because honestly it should've probably gotten a single target version (Penance), or make it groupwide and have it trigger off anyone in the party taking damage (Inquisitor's Malevolent Diatribe). I think with some slight reworking (and a reduction in reuse), itll be a good addition to the kit.

[Deceptus]

Honestly its pretty close to what I wanted out of a healing spell.It just needs some polish.

Im a vet of both EverQuest and EQ2 where I was much more hardcore than I am now, and SOE made this type of spell the mainstay of the Templar and Inquisitor classes. It missed the mark slightly from the Norrathian version, because honestly it should've probably gotten a single target version (Penance), or make it groupwide and have it trigger off anyone in the party taking damage (Inquisitor's Malevolent Diatribe). I think with some slight reworking (and a reduction in reuse), itll be a good addition to the kit.

I think the problem with Lilybell, from what I see, is that it is activated on damage the WHM takes.

The FFXIV raid design has very few multiple raid wide AoE's back to back which essentially makes it a one and done. Sure there's a healing at the end but people might have spread out since the raidwide and not get healed by it.

[Talaris]

I think the problem with Lilybell from what I see is that it is activated on damage the WHM takes.

The FFXIV raid design has very few multiple raid wide AoE's back to back which essentially makes it a one and done. Sure there's a healing at the end but people might have spread out since the raidwide and not get healed by it.

Indeed. Its not quite there yet, but I think it can be made useful without a catastrophic amount of reworks like our friends Secret of the Lily or Plenary required

[ItMe]

Sometimes when I edit posts on mobile, my “keep your signature” gets unchecked. It’s still there, though. Just playing hide and seek.

Hahaha I see~
Huh, I didn't even realize that setting was there.
Now that I have a sig too I should be careful of that, thanks for the info.

[Semirhage]

I love Lilybell because it's pretty close to being the perfect microcosm of the worst things about WHM cooldown design. It's Yet Another Boring Vanilla Heal with maybe a small quirk on how it works (pulses taking damage). It has no interaction with the rest of the kit. It's got the *chef's kiss* White Mage standard pattern where it's got higher potency on paper, and then the design team poops all over it with a ghastly long cooldown that ensures you'll use it maybe 30% as often as slightly less potent but ultimately far more impactful cooldowns the other healers have (see Benediction vs other cooldowns. A full cure is great! It's not sooooo overwhelmingly powerful that it needs more than triple the cooldown of Essential Dignity, considering how relatively few casts of anything it takes to fullcure tanks in this game). And to top it all off, it's obviously designed for an incredibly niche situation like Titan tumults.

So yay, yet another boing oGCD heal to fling out between casts, not interact with at all, let it passively heal the party 3-4 times an encounter, and return to Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare.

But they want us to heal more. That's why we have these boring brainless noninteractive heal blast cooldowns that counter mechanics with a flick of the wrist so we have even more time to spam Glare. See you all in the DPS queues for another expansion!

[ty_taurus]

I love Lilybell because it's pretty close to being the perfect microcosm of the worst things about WHM cooldown design. It's Yet Another Boring Vanilla Heal with maybe a small quirk on how it works (pulses taking damage). It has no interaction with the rest of the kit. It's got the *chef's kiss* White Mage standard pattern where it's got higher potency on paper, and then the design team poops all over it with a ghastly long cooldown that ensures you'll use it maybe 30% as often as slightly less potent but ultimately far more impactful cooldowns the other healers have (see Benediction vs other cooldowns. A full cure is great! It's not sooooo overwhelmingly powerful that it needs more than triple the cooldown of Essential Dignity, considering how relatively few casts of anything it takes to fullcure tanks in this game). And to top it all off, it's obviously designed for an incredibly niche situation like Titan tumults.

So yay, yet another boing oGCD heal to fling out between casts, not interact with at all, let it passively heal the party 3-4 times an encounter, and return to Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare.

But they want us to heal more. That's why we have these boring brainless noninteractive heal blast cooldowns that counter mechanics with a flick of the wrist so we have even more time to spam Glare. See you all in the DPS queues for another expansion!

It's a shame because it really looked like the AoEs were triggered when the lilybell was hit, including when the WHM cast Holy III in the trailer. Even if you did nothing else but these 2 changes, it would already become a far more useful tool to work with: Hitting the Lilybell means you can place it in an area likely to get struck without having to put yourself in harms way (makes it more casual-friendly) and it allows you to make it less situational by forcing stacks to burn with Holy III, covering some lost DPS in the process (makes it more experienced-friendly). There's certainly the question of whether or not forcing it to trigger with Holy III would actually be worth it consdering it's still a loss, and how often would you really need to force extra uses from it, but at least the option would be there.

I was kind of hoping it would be something other than just a heal, but shame on me for expecting something that's not a heal on WHM.

[Valmaxian]

I love Lilybell because it's pretty close to being the perfect microcosm of the worst things about WHM cooldown design. It's Yet Another Boring Vanilla Heal with maybe a small quirk on how it works (pulses taking damage). It has no interaction with the rest of the kit. It's got the *chef's kiss* White Mage standard pattern where it's got higher potency on paper, and then the design team poops all over it with a ghastly long cooldown that ensures you'll use it maybe 30% as often as slightly less potent but ultimately far more impactful cooldowns the other healers have (see Benediction vs other cooldowns. A full cure is great! It's not sooooo overwhelmingly powerful that it needs more than triple the cooldown of Essential Dignity, considering how relatively few casts of anything it takes to fullcure tanks in this game). And to top it all off, it's obviously designed for an incredibly niche situation like Titan tumults.

So yay, yet another boing oGCD heal to fling out between casts, not interact with at all, let it passively heal the party 3-4 times an encounter, and return to Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare. Glare.

But they want us to heal more. That's why we have these boring brainless noninteractive heal blast cooldowns that counter mechanics with a flick of the wrist so we have even more time to spam Glare. See you all in the DPS queues for another expansion!

This exactly. I think Lily Bell will be a very strong healing tool. But….we already have so many…why couldn’t the darn thing pulse DAMAGE?