I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

[Truen]

Exactly. I'm sure new players just 'love' 1-button dps spam as much as the rest of us too...NOT.

[inhaledcorn]

There's never been a stat squish before either, right?

Sage is supposedly more complicated that other healers from what I hear.

The content is getting progressively more epic and intense with each expac.

And FF14 is watching WoW crumble and no doubt learning from it.

You may be giving up on them a little too soon.

I don't see a need for massive healer changes in light of all this.

You don't even play healer in any content that matters. You can't even accurately comment on what healers need, yet you sit there with that smug look on your face like you somehow know better than us and us "ignorant DPS-in-healer's robes" need to learn our place. Unlike you, many of us actually do play healers. I switched off of SCH, my favorite job since I started in 2.1, because it felt like trash.

And, before you call me a hypocrite, the difference between you and me is that I actually play a healer in a raid setting and do very well on it. I actually do know what I'm talking about. You've done nothing but talk about situations that only might happen. We're talking about things that do happen.

[Saefinn]

@Saefinn. Why make it sound as if healers spend more time either twiddling their thumbs or spam clicking a single dps button than they ever do healing? I have never experienced this and it makes me wonder if we are even playing the same game or you and others are being obtuse or arguing in bad faith.

This is what really gets me. There is already plenty to do as a healer and y'all make it sound as if you practically afk during fights, be it sastasha or eden savage, unless you force yourself to spam the dps button, which kills your credibility.

Because we are spending a lot of our time spam clicking a single DPS button more than we do healing. At least with Savage there's mechanics to worry about, but even then the majority of the time people are spamming their DPS.

The example I had earlier were of a grey parse, that's an example of me not doing very well to keep my DPS up. BUt 50-60% of my button presses were still DPS related and not healing related and these were for Memoria Misera and Emerald Weapon. There's people who have posted examples of even greater down time than that in Savage content. But we believe maybe on average it's around 70% hence we keep using that figure.

Then when it comes to dungeon content, a huge chunk of it is DPS downtime.

You may never have experienced this, that's fine. I don't think it's a problem until you reach a certain level of healing efficiency. Or when you get to a point where your healing is more second nature and you think about it less.

There's never been a stat squish before either, right?

Sage is supposedly more complicated that other healers from what I hear.

Whilst I am worried this won't solve the problem, this is the detail that I have hope on.

Because things like iLevel discrepancies do contribute to this problem and stat balance is a part of this issue. So a state squish could be a good time to address this, they've yet to state that they are and my hope is based on the fact Yoshi P acknowledged it as a problem. The toolkit we have is better suited for higher intensity healing, but we didn't get it in ShB. I think whether we enjoy healing in EW will contingent on this. But we know that Yoshi P doesn't want healing to be too hard for the lower end of the healing skill spectrum, so I am skeptical that if they are going to fix anything in the squish to what extent.

Of course, this is a detail we'll find out in about a month.

With SGE Yoshi P stated it was more complicated, but it is very close to SCH and the differences aren't that much more complex. But when Yoshi P makes statements like that I take it with a pinch of salt because he said how great the MNK changes were for ShB and the MNK changes for ShB were terrible, hence the rework they're getting.

[ForteNightshade]

So why ask for more? The pedestal you stand on is about to be kicked out from under your feet and is only ever temporary anyways. Lay off the demand for more dps buttons till you see the true amount of changes. Healers are fine the way they are without these weird desires for more complexity to fill small downtimes that are likely about to vanish for the next several months after launch.

Because many of us have been down this road before. During the Shadowbringers media tour Yoshida outright claimed they increased the outgoing damage yet that simply wasn't the case whatsoever. By the end of Don Mheg I was wall pulling everything in sight while several healers I got spammed Holy/Art of War/Gravity. You mention ilvl except I've healed every piece of non-raid content (and some EXs) on release without ever deviating from spamming my DPS nuke because I have nothing else to do. This notion we'll suddenly have to worry about healing when new content releases is a pipe dream. We won't. We'll spam our two DPS buttons.

Stick to healing? Would you just "stick to tanking" if literally 90% of what you did was spam Bloodspiller?

[Iedarus]

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I've noticed after looking at your displayed main job and starting Bard, myself, that all of the bored healer mains have moved on to Bard, Dancer, and Red Mage
because that's the only way they can live out being an engaging support. It is rather troubling how DPS jobs are basically more fun versions of Healer and Tank jobs. For example, all of the jaded DRK mains who are very likely going to move on to Reaper on release day.

[Saefinn]

I've noticed after looking at your displayed main job and starting Bard, myself, that all of the bored healer mains have moved on to Bard, Dancer, and Red Mage
because that's the only way they can live out being an engaging support. It is rather troubling how DPS jobs are basically more fun versions of Healer and Tank jobs. For example, all of the jaded DRK mains who are very likely going to move on to Reaper on release day.

Yeah, DNC is my secondary job, RDM was my secondary in SB. PLD is my favourite tank...though I only have GNB to 80 on this char.

And all are getting more healery stuff in 6.0 too.

It's as though we like support and healer elements.

[Axxion]

now can we officially get luv banned or something?

[VictoriaLuv]

now can we officially get luv banned or something?

oh good idea but wont stop me come in 10 days do it all over again <3 your stuck with me

[Truen]

You're confused. NEW PLAYERS don't want 1-dps spam spells anymore than veterans. FF14 has the worst healing design in any MMO on the market. There's nothing more boring than FF14 healers; new players will tell you that faster than anyone else. Grinding a healer up is literally just "broil, broil, broil, dot, broil, broil, broil..." that's what the content feels like outside of dungeons. It's so terrible.

[VictoriaLuv]

You're confused. NEW PLAYERS don't want 1-dps spam spells anymore than veterans. FF14 has the worst healing design in any MMO on the market. There's nothing more boring than FF14 healers; new players will tell you that faster than anyone else. Grinding a healer up is literally just "broil, broil, broil, dot, broil, broil, broil..." that's what the content feels like outside of dungeons. It's so terrible.

you dont get broil until way later in the game. you mean ruin right? last time i check scholar had ruin II and energy drain.. white mages far more worse off then you they dont even get invited to statics at least scholar and ast get invites for flat damage increase and crit chance 10% really? don't know what your fussing about ast got new dps tools. scholars still broken as helll. heals better then white mage. and now does more damage. white mage is is healers garbage dumb

all i hear is scholars crying. white mage been crying 8 years still not done crap for us. what make you think they listen to you when kept fluid aura in game arr. hw, stormblood and shadowbringers. why is your voice loader toilet no I mean white mage. whos suffered way longer then you have


scholars like spoiled childern didnt get what asked for in chrismas at least you didnt get your dot nerfed and thin air completely destroyed. you got one best aoe buffs in the game give everyone sprint and still crying. your class totally busted and still want more