Are some jobs 'too feminine' in aesthetics?

[MirielleLavandre]

I'm sorry if I am behind the times or maybe just different culturally (myself and my friend in OP are both Japanese with Japanese family/friends mostly) - but what does 'gendered' mean? I mean, is it a negative or a positive thing in Western thought? To us, there's feminine and masculine, thus why there was such pushback long ago about bunny suits (I think) for men - it just isn't something most Japanese would think to do or care about. Perhaps there is a disconnect between the country of publication's view on gender norms and most of the Western viewpoint? Or maybe I just don't understand the meaning of that word ^^

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I'm sorry if I am behind the times or maybe just different culturally (myself and my friend in OP are both Japanese with Japanese family/friends mostly) - but what does 'gendered' mean? I mean, is it a negative or a positive thing in Western thought? To us, there's feminine and masculine, thus why there was such pushback long ago about bunny suits (I think) for men - it just isn't something most Japanese would think to do or care about. Perhaps there is a disconnect between the country of publication's view on gender norms and most of the Western viewpoint? Or maybe I just don't understand the meaning of that word ^^

Gendered ie, the stereotype of dresses are for girls and suits are for men. Some could see it negatively but it is more just to point out the style of the clothing and who you would expect to typically be wearing it. Add on the next stereotype! Girls are healers and the more "manly" job is smth like tanks so the outfits we feel are designed with these stereotypes at their core. Healer stuff tends toward more female styles more often than not, it is not nice for males looking for something less 'girly'

[MirielleLavandre]

Gendered ie, the stereotype of dresses are for girls and suits are for men. Some could see it negatively but it is more just to point out the style of the clothing and who you would expect to typically be wearing it.

Ah thank you -- so it is just what is normally worn by each gender I guess -- though is thinking that dresses are for women and suits for men a bad thing? I guess most people would call myself and most of JPN/Asia old fashioned or, worse, prejudiced or something for not knowing what the modern definitions and/or acceptance things should be, so sorry in advance if I offended anyone ^^

[Caurcas]

Ah thank you -- so it is just what is normally worn by each gender I guess -- though is thinking that dresses are for women and suits for men a bad thing? I guess most people would call myself and most of JPN/Asia old fashioned or, worse, prejudiced or something for not knowing what the modern definitions and/or acceptance things should be, so sorry in advance if I offended anyone ^^

No, not to most people. However, a rather loud vocal minority make it into an issue.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Ah thank you -- so it is just what is normally worn by each gender I guess -- though is thinking that dresses are for women and suits for men a bad thing? I guess most people would call myself and most of JPN/Asia old fashioned or, worse, prejudiced or something for not knowing what the modern definitions and/or acceptance things should be, so sorry in advance if I offended anyone ^^

Is it a bad thing? Mm I would say think what you want so long as you are content to let others live their lives' without your interference based upon your own preferences. I would say it is only a bad thing if due to your own expectations you tried to control or limit another persons self expression ykno? Similarly, people need to accept that not everyone has the same views as they do and not vilify people with your views! Live and let live, so long as you are not hurting someone what business is it of anyone else?

[Nishira]

Ah thank you -- so it is just what is normally worn by each gender I guess -- though is thinking that dresses are for women and suits for men a bad thing? I guess most people would call myself and most of JPN/Asia old fashioned or, worse, prejudiced or something for not knowing what the modern definitions and/or acceptance things should be, so sorry in advance if I offended anyone ^^

You definitely did not offend me, and I understand your point of view I think for me it hit home many years ago when the son of a friend of mine was around 5 years old. He loved pink. And when he saw a pink shirt with rainbow stars on it, he wanted it so badly and he was so happy when he got it. He went to school all proud and he was made fun of because ‘it is for girls, you’re a boy’ and got punched. He came home, took it off and never wore it again. And later on he himself said that that was for girls.

The thing is tho, it’s just a piece of fabric. Like any other piece of fabric. Pink is just a colour, like any other colour. In a way it is decidedly strange how we agree on some things being feminine or masculine. And even stranger when we can see how in the past we had different agreements on this, or even in different cultures right at this moment. There’s nothing ‘factual’ about it, even tho it gets treated as facts. And it limits personal expression in a way. Should everyone wear pink? No of course not, some dislike the colour very much But that should be the only reason not to.