I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

[Nizzi]

By that logic two buttons would be enough for all classes. Who needs diversity?

Hey, you're right! Who needs diversity? Coincidentally, healers all have their same 1 Nuke, 1 DoT, 1 AoE. Diversity, right? 99% of what healers are doing during DPS down time is the exact same spam of 1 button. Diversity is good, right? But only when it's a role you play, because your fun is more important than ours.

But that's not what you really want. You want a white mage that go full super saiyan and do the work of a black mage, too.

Asking for more DPS options/things to fill downtime =/= wanting healers to do that. You can create a strawman all you want, but I'm not going to engage with it further.

Dark knights have a full kit to support themselves in and out of dungeons and so do healers, but in groups they have a specific role and they are given a wide range of abilities to make it possible. Same goes for healers, BUT WAIT healers can do more. They have a massive amount of healer spells AND they can even add dps. But for some, even that singularly unique trait that no other class apart from healers can claim, that just doesn't seem to be enough.

It's very apparent to me that you're dodging the question because you know you do not have a good answer. Tanks in groups have a specific role and they're given a wide range of mitigation abilities to make that role (tanking damage) possible. Except you don't have nearly enough mitigation if we're comparing it to our healing kits, so we really do need to get rid of your bloated DPS kit so you can focus on what you're supposed to be doing, which is TANKING. I really don't get how you do not see that. You have a singular unique trait that DPS and healers don't have. When we take massive amounts of damage, we die, but you live! If the boss drops a tank buster on a DPS or a healer, we die, but you live! Yet still, so many selfish tanks are too focused on being DPSbots, and that's because they have too many DPS abilities that distract them from doing what they need to do. So we should remove the remaining DPS options tanks have, and you can spam Unmend/Shield Lob/etc during downtime where you aren't pressing those mitigation buttons and doing your job. That one button will be enough to get you through solo content too, so there's no need to complain about how you'll feel outside of dungeons/raids. After all, if healers have no reason to complain about that, you won't either.

[Melorie]

But that's not what you really want. You want a white mage that go full super saiyan and do the work of a black mage, too.

Oh c'mon, maybe spend more than 5 minutes reading the discussion of this forum instead of typing nonsense. At least you would save some time from the kind people that are willing to lose time discussing with you.

I'm tired of seeing people that only give a quick glance to the healer discussion spitting nonsense without ever considered that their fallacy has already been debunked over and over again. Respect the time of the people of this forum that actually care about this role, ffs.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you stop reading after the first sentence you'll never graduate.

Is understanding what is actually going on before actually making any comments is a skill you learn from graduating too? Wow!

[CrimsonGunner]

By that logic two buttons would be enough for all classes. Who needs diversity?

But that's not what you really want. You want a white mage that go full super saiyan and do the work of a black mage, too.

Dark knights have a full kit to support themselves in and out of dungeons and so do healers, but in groups they have a specific role and they are given a wide range of abilities to make it possible. Same goes for healers, BUT WAIT healers can do more. They have a massive amount of healer spells AND they can even add dps. But for some, even that singularly unique trait that no other class apart from healers can claim, that just doesn't seem to be enough.

Tanks who heal? Nope. Dps that tank? Nope. Tanks who dps? Barely. Dps that heal? Barely.

Healers who dps? Absolutely, and far better than tanks but NOT GOOD ENOUGH?!

you have tanks that heal ,they are called paladin, tanks who dps they are called gunbreakers, dps that heal they are called red mages and maybe throw in smn. dps that tank you have seen full parties full of only dps that clear alliances so i guess i could say every dps then.

drk have a full kit but not just to support themselves, they have a 1,2,3 combo a few ogcd to do damage and some defensive cds and yet you have tanks that don't use them and let party members die cause they dont keep agro.
so maybe we need to give tanks the iron and "streamline" your kit. maybe once your kit will be reduce to press 1 button to attract every add in 30y radius and everything else is just defensive cd that do nothing but mitigate to every job in that role, would make players do your job properly. after all what is a tank if not attracting the mobs to him ,they don't need to dps.

heavens forbit that the healer who kept you alive from dying to your living dead skill would have 1 extra button he runs when he doesn't heal you every second. in fact havens forbid that he even let your hp drop below 99% cause he decided to do stuff to support the run going faster.

[Drkdays]

I think healers are fine as is and I understand people want to change them. Why bother reading every single comment on why people want change if I disagree with that desire? Tldr: sorry I didn't read or reference your comment, I don't care.

Although, I'm pretty sure I hit the nail on the head with the "desire for more buttons or desire for more damage" theory. Seems like people want fundamental changes to how the game works (which reminds me of similar changes that occurred in WoW that ultimately destroyed it - see WoW classic vs WoW retail for reference) to which I say, no thank you.

[CrimsonGunner]

someone actually agrees with me. these people want to destroy healer. all they have to do is make healer heal more. make sure healer has no down-time at all no one want dps skills. these people want to destroy the healer. they don't want a healer. they want there main tanks to die. cause healer to busy dpsing. cause to lazy cause a heal spell when it needed . this is issue most of these people troll other people on the forums. take there time attacking other players. people don't like me cause am agressive and tell it to it to them straight with no care to there feelings

we people who love healing love our job should stand up. say no to this wanting more dps skills isn't gonna fix healer. no forcing healer to actually heal or whole raid dies is important. implement dungeon boss world fates. even trash monsters with mechanic that do bloody tank busters. never designed to be black mages have 20 button rotation. seriously anyone who asking heals have new dps opinions really go play dps. let people who been healing sense arr do there thing

yes giving healers 1 extra button to press while not healing is basically screaming, destroy the healer role entirely cause then they become dps who heal and those don't exist right?
i mean its not like we have smn that have physics and soon will have phoenix to heal and raise people or we have red mage that can heal and raise more people faster or that every melee can heal themselves with both bloodbath and second wind.

you do realize as well as asking them to make every mob hit like a tank buster would technically make our day but scare every new/lazy player from the role to narnia cause you raise the floor and they cant keep up.
im all for it, let SE do that and block your fellow lazy players who want just to afk and wait then actually heal or help the team, i know that me and the others healers here will be happy to finally press more then 1 button 99% of an entire run.

[Melorie]

I think healers are fine as is and I understand people want to change them. Why bother reading every single comment on why people want change if I disagree with that desire?

Although, I'm pretty sure I hit the nail on the head with the "desire for more buttons or desire for more damage" theory.

So you don't even try to hear what exactly people are complaining, and what are the problems presented before spitting that you think that everything is fine? Why bother joining the discussion? And yet, you want to be heard? Pfft. Sound like the one that needs to graduate or at least a bit of basic education is you. Come back here when you respect people's time instead of throwing the same old nonsense.

[Drkdays]

yes giving healers 1 extra button to press while not healing is basically screaming, destroy the healer role entirely cause then they become dps who heal and those don't exist right?
i mean its not like we have smn that have physics and soon will have phoenix to heal and raise people or we have red mage that can heal and raise more people faster or that every melee can heal themselves with both bloodbath and second wind.

you do realize as well as asking them to make every mob hit like a tank buster would technically make our day but scare every new/lazy player from the role to narnia cause you raise the floor and they cant keep up.
im all for it, let SE do that and block your fellow lazy players who want just to afk and wait then actually heal or help the team, i know that me and the others healers here will be happy to finally press more then 1 button 99% of an entire run.

Of course one more button wouldn't hurt. But it's already unnecessary and it would set a bad precedent. I'm sure more abilities are already coming with the expac and it blows my mind that healers are disappointed that classes focused on healing aren't becoming better dps classes.

[CrimsonGunner]

I think healers are fine as is and I understand people want to change them. Why bother reading every single comment on why people want change if I disagree with that desire?

Although, I'm pretty sure I hit the nail on the head with the "desire for more buttons or desire for more damage" theory. Seems like people want fundamental changes to how the game works (which reminds me of similar changes that occurred in WoW that ultimately destroyed it - see WoW classic vs WoW retail for reference) to which I say, no thank you.

nope you didn't ,in fact asking that we don't dps is basically asking to change the game from its core.
so basically you are saying you are destroying ff14 then? and if you understand why people want to change them then why do you assume they want to be dps that heals? when they said no, we want to do more support to the team when healing not needed repeatedly.
seriously go read the comments, its embarrassing that you claim to know what people ask only to get it so so wrong.

[CrimsonGunner]

Of course one more button wouldn't hurt. But it's already unnecessary and it would set a bad precedent. I'm sure more abilities are already coming with the expac and it blows my mind that healers are disappointed that classes focused on healing aren't becoming better dps classes.

right.... they want to become better dps jobs.... ,read comment above and seriously go read the comments its getting so embarrassing i am starting to feel sorry for you