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  1. #11
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    I completely agree that Expedient is an underwhelming capstone skill, I think it begs the question: barring a Scholar rework, what would've been a satisfying capstone skill for Scholar in Endwalker? I think at this point there's very little Scholar could receive that people would be happy with, outside of the return of old removed abilities. Granted, this is definitely due to Square Enix's decisions with how they're designing Scholar and healers in general and not the playerbase's perception of the job, but I really do struggle to think of anything they could've presented that I personally would've been very pleased to see. Even if it was a new DPS ability, it wouldn't change the way Scholar plays from level 30-89.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    I completely agree that Expedient is an underwhelming capstone skill, I think it begs the question: barring a Scholar rework, what would've been a satisfying capstone skill for Scholar in Endwalker? I think at this point there's very little Scholar could receive that people would be happy with, outside of the return of old removed abilities. Granted, this is definitely due to Square Enix's decisions with how they're designing Scholar and healers in general and not the playerbase's perception of the job, but I really do struggle to think of anything they could've presented that I personally would've been very pleased to see. Even if it was a new DPS ability, it wouldn't change the way Scholar plays from level 30-89.
    Fusion with Fairy, making all Healing and DPS Skills upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    I'm also in the camp of viewing the sprint effect as a good one; however, there are several factors at play here that just make Expedient feel like a slap in the face.

    To get back on topic, Expedient has niche value, but that's not what we really want in a capstone.

    3. SCH's playstyle was torn apart when transitioning into Shadowbringers and got nothing of value to compensate. Regardless of their stance on healers, I cannot fathom how anyone would look at how much they wanted to gut from SCH and thought that Recitation, Fey Blessing, and Summon Seraph would make up for that. Not to mention the pet system was botched to add more salt to the wound. Moving forward, none of that shredded identity issue was addressed, and "have a team sprint" really isn't the answer that any SCH player wanted to see regardless of how affected they were from the Shadowbringers changes, particularly when 2 of the other actions its getting for the expansion are just mild potency boosts for Broil and Art of War.

    I just don't think there's anyone genuinely thinking about what SCH players would want to see or feel good about receiving. If there was, we wouldn't see SCH getting nothing but a brief max HP increase buff and a poorly-thought-out team-wide sprint.
    Always like your posts Ty_Taurus and have agreed with many over the years. I wish people like yourself had a role on the ffxiv job design team for healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    It's so weird you say that when last raid tier was filled with instances where Expedient would have been good.
    Such as? As far as I remember, Sprint was up for most of the mechanics where you needed it. It's basically only going to see use where someone reacts late and would have been fractionally too slow to reach a safe spot, which is situational. The damage reduction on the other hand is always useful, so I'd expect that to be the sole use for Expedient.

    I feel the sprint is really overrated. Content is designed to be perfectly doable without it. People just want to believe there's a high IQ usage to it that they see and others don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Such as? As far as I remember, Sprint was up for most of the mechanics where you needed it. It's basically only going to see use where someone reacts late and would have been fractionally too slow to reach a safe spot, which is situational. The damage reduction on the other hand is always useful, so I'd expect that to be the sole use for Expedient.

    I feel the sprint is really overrated. Content is designed to be perfectly doable without it. People just want to believe there's a high IQ usage to it that they see and others don't.
    If you look at a sprint buff in the light of “well what content will demand it?” Then you’re not going to get anywhere.

    What I believe the goal is for Expedient is to create a buffer of room for error, which will make it potentially quite valuable during prog more than anything else. It helps your party correct themselves more effectively and potentially avoid AoEs they might’ve otherwise been hit by. A great example in my mind would be right and left facing AoEs or “run behind the boss” mechanics. I can think of several examples in 24-mans where it could be helpful.

    Like I said before I don’t really think that buff in and of itself is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    It's a capstone skill that fights itself by design (the sprint means you need to move to dodge mechanics, making the defense buff weird, or you need the extra defense to absorb a bigger hit making the sprint unneeded).
    This is my exact issue with it.

    Both effects aren't needed. It's a convolutedly designed ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Fusion with Fairy, making all Healing and DPS Skills upgrade.
    That's exactly what Dissipation SHOULD have been.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 10-22-2021 at 10:37 PM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    That's exactly what Dissipation SHOULD have been.
    Agreed, if it only applies to spells. The reason I say that is because I feel the 90 capstone should of been a DPS oGCD that rewarded you for healing well. Either take the TBN concept and run with it, or give out DPS for using Aetherflow on everything but Energy Drain. Regardless, I wouldn’t want it to necessarily be forced into the same window given how much aetherflow you get from Dissipation already. And that way Dissipation can remain weirdly synced.

    I do think Dissipation should alternate itself with Seraph too ala Summoner’s Demi rotation. Then you could make both a charge action and flex them since they’re both awkward cooldowns as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezzoforte View Post
    I know what you are about to say, just hear me out. All this blowback about such a great scholar skill. That AOE uptime beast of a skill. It fell flat on its face due to presentation. So let's fix this as a community. If enough people agree with it.

    Rename the sprint skill to "OOOOOO! MY LITTLE SAPLINGS!" then have it make a bright Eos/Selina color pallet explosion. Then for the big win, it enchants each player that is subject to the sprint speed bonus small fairy wings like Eos/Selene for the duration of the buff. This way it not only lets me know intuitively I have the sprint speed bonus as a player receiving it by seeing it on my back as run but now everyone will be losing their minds over being able to /gpose with the wings, giving random people invites and winging them in Limsa, or just making your dance team at the Club in Balmung way more fly with those wings and custom emotes to bust out the moves! If anyone has some artwork from their mind of how it would look feel free to post! Lets get down, get down, get down for Scholars!

    Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

    Screw the happy feet fluff spell--the fundamental problem with SCH is that it's boring to play. Being able to cast FASTER Broils isn't a positive, and I could care less about a little burst of speed that doesn't stack with sprint.
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