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    Top Tier Scholar Fix for Endwalker

    I know what you are about to say, just hear me out. All this blowback about such a great scholar skill. That AOE uptime beast of a skill. It fell flat on its face due to presentation. So let's fix this as a community. If enough people agree with it.

    Rename the sprint skill to "OOOOOO! MY LITTLE SAPLINGS!" then have it make a bright Eos/Selina color pallet explosion. Then for the big win, it enchants each player that is subject to the sprint speed bonus small fairy wings like Eos/Selene for the duration of the buff. This way it not only lets me know intuitively I have the sprint speed bonus as a player receiving it by seeing it on my back as run but now everyone will be losing their minds over being able to /gpose with the wings, giving random people invites and winging them in Limsa, or just making your dance team at the Club in Balmung way more fly with those wings and custom emotes to bust out the moves! If anyone has some artwork from their mind of how it would look feel free to post! Lets get down, get down, get down for Scholars!

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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Ah, yes, that's the problem with Expedient, and not the fact that:

    It's a boring capstone skill, especially compared to Macrocosmos and Pneuma which are neutral damage on single target, damage gain on AoE, on top of having extra healing/defense utility.

    It's a capstone skill that fights itself by design (the sprint means you need to move to dodge mechanics, making the defense buff weird, or you need the extra defense to absorb a bigger hit making the sprint unneeded).

    They said that the sprint wouldn't be significant to prevent SCH from being mandatory.

    They didn't fix the problems with SCH other than the Fairy supposedly being more responsive to commands.
    Yes, the only problem with the skill is that it doesn't look cool.

    You hit that nail on the head.

    Good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Ah, yes, that's the problem with Expedient, and not the fact that:



    Yes, the only problem with the skill is that it doesn't look cool.

    You hit that nail on the head.

    Good for you.
    Totally missing the point, but that isn't surprising. The problems elsewhere in the kit are unrelated and their own issues. However, if you need a place to complain I am here to listen! This was very specifically about the issue of the skills presentation and hype for it in comparison to others. Scholars lacks that fun flashy and thematic edge other classes have. If you want to dig into the mechanics then that is entirely separate, and frankly your anger due to that is preventing you from having something enjoyably flavorful. The majority of the people who play don't even care about a lot of the very fine details of the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezzoforte View Post
    Totally missing the point, but that isn't surprising. The problems elsewhere in the kit are unrelated and their own issues. However, if you need a place to complain I am here to listen! This was very specifically about the issue of the skills presentation and hype for it in comparison to others. Scholars lacks that fun flashy and thematic edge other classes have. If you want to dig into the mechanics then that is entirely separate, and frankly your anger due to that is preventing you from having something enjoyably flavorful. The majority of the people who play don't even care about a lot of the very fine details of the class.
    Not exactly, it's just not very useful.

    If you need the speed boost you probably don't need the mitigation; and if you need the mitigation then you probably don't need the speed boost.

    It's a dual-purpose skill, which would be interesting if the utility on either side wasn't so marginal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    Not exactly, it's just not very useful.

    If you need the speed boost you probably don't need the mitigation; and if you need the mitigation then you probably don't need the speed boost.

    It's a dual-purpose skill, which would be interesting if the utility on either side wasn't so marginal
    It's so weird you say that when last raid tier was filled with instances where Expedient would have been good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    It's so weird you say that when last raid tier was filled with instances where Expedient would have been good.
    Sure, but in situations where you need a speed boost you have a sprint button whose usage you can and should plan, and unless there's a mechanic that practically requires expedient + sprint or a gapcloser to dodge I don't really get how it'll be useful other than as a mitigation cooldown

    Anyways, I'm not going to call it a useless skill, it's just boring if that's their best attempt at making an exciting new Scholar skill that'll really make people want to play the class over Sage.

    Heck it's boring if you want to get people to play a healer in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    It's so weird you say that when last raid tier was filled with instances where Expedient would have been good.
    Such as? As far as I remember, Sprint was up for most of the mechanics where you needed it. It's basically only going to see use where someone reacts late and would have been fractionally too slow to reach a safe spot, which is situational. The damage reduction on the other hand is always useful, so I'd expect that to be the sole use for Expedient.

    I feel the sprint is really overrated. Content is designed to be perfectly doable without it. People just want to believe there's a high IQ usage to it that they see and others don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    It's a capstone skill that fights itself by design (the sprint means you need to move to dodge mechanics, making the defense buff weird, or you need the extra defense to absorb a bigger hit making the sprint unneeded).
    This is my exact issue with it.

    Both effects aren't needed. It's a convolutedly designed ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Fusion with Fairy, making all Healing and DPS Skills upgrade.
    That's exactly what Dissipation SHOULD have been.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 10-22-2021 at 10:37 PM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    This skill dynamically effects players and you're proposing we visually tweak it so it is more evident when it is in effect?
    That sounds like a valuable addition.

    Also, changing a SCH skill so it's involves the fairies more?
    Priceless~
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    I think they should give the Scholar an glasses push up animation when Scholar uses Expedient, and then also give the rest of the team no indication on the buff bar that the Scholar used anything.
    Like this:



    It seems fitting for when you've doomed your allies into running into AoEs during Forced March mechanics or accidentally running off the stage because they're suddenly sprinting.
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