Do You Think FF XIV Will Start Getting The Hate WoW Gets Because of The Cash Shop?

[ArthurATDayne]

FFXIV is not immune to this but it has character progression outside of just "get catchup gear, then go get newest gear". It has MSQ, multiple jobs to level, side content and such. It also has RMT banned.

THIS right here.

Not that I'd enjoy (or willing to) go through WoW's soulless text wall quests and goofy cutscenes again, but a lot of the time in FFXIV I'm messing around in New Game+ Main Story or Side Quest arcs on my high or max level Jobs to see the story again and utterly obliterate annoying characters/villains for laughs.

Or catching up on new lower level side content that I haven't done yet because it's actually worth experiencing most of the time. It doesn't feel like a waste of time unlike in WoW.

[sauc]

Probably not but it should. People are more accepting of getting milked here for some reason. Wow has alot of unique in game mounts too, probably way more than xiv and xiv is not immune to lazy mount reskins (hello horses and birds)

And they may not sell tokens here but let's not pretend they do anything to stop rmt. Open your party finder any time of day and there's 10+ in your face 24/7.

[Kyrj]

When your game is in as good of condition as FF14 is you can afford to have a cash shop. WoW has lost that privilege. Their in game services are disgustingly overpriced. Last time I checked it was something like $25 for a race change, $30 for a faction change (which you will need a transfer for if your server is Horde or Alliance dominate so heh heh another $25 please). Hell you can't even just buy one month of time anymore you either have to sub or buy two months at a time.

[Kyrj]

You can buy a WoW token for real money and sell it for ingame gold. This is legalized RMT. Such a thing does not exist in FF14. Everything you buy in the cash shop is not sellable for Gil ingame. But yes, the amount of things you can buy in the mogry station is big.

Cheers

Ehhhhhh you can get gil through the cash shop. Just make an alt and buy the story skip. $25 for what 500k gil? Nothing spectacular but it's enough to do things like fill up on crafting crystals and what not.

[Kyuuen]

Probably not but it should. People are more accepting of getting milked here for some reason. Wow has alot of unique in game mounts too, probably way more than xiv and xiv is not immune to lazy mount reskins (hello horses and birds)

And they may not sell tokens here but let's not pretend they do anything to stop rmt. Open your party finder any time of day and there's 10+ in your face 24/7.

Mostly because funds from the mogstation gets cycled back into the game. That is what has paid for for the newer data centers for other parts of the world if I'm not mistaken. And of course WoW has more mounts in it.. it's been operating for almost 20 years. >.>

As to the RMT comment.

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They do plenty to deal with RMT. Typically they're tracing where Gil goes before they act so that they're hitting the buyer, the advertisers, the traders, and the bots that are sourcing the Gil.

Unless you're referring to RMT pertaining to paid carries, then those are being worked on to be addressed. In a recent interview Yoshi-P stated the ToS needs updating so it can properly be addressed.

Ehhhhhh you can get gil through the cash shop. Just make an alt and buy the story skip. $25 for what 500k gil? Nothing spectacular but it's enough to do things like fill up on crafting crystals and what not.

I mean if you want to look at it that way sure, but you're just getting the Gil you would have gotten from the quests up until that point.

[OranKells]

i looked over the topic and reported numerous comments that were stirring up trouble and making rude or downright negative remarks towards me. It seems I have a number of fangirls and fanboys :shrug





yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with a lot of the mounts. Same model, different texture.

I thought this thread was closed???
Did you reopen it??

[sauc]

Mostly because funds from the mogstation gets cycled back into the game. That is what has paid for for the newer data centers for other parts of the world if I'm not mistaken. And of course WoW has more mounts in it.. it's been operating for almost 20 years. >.>

As to the RMT comment.

October 21st 2021 - 5,700+ accounts terminated - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5483ba7a009e67
October 14th 2021 - 6,000+ accounts terminated - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...b96e9db2cd2a71
October 7th 2021 - 4,300+ accounts terminated - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...966ccefa09b819
July 29th 2021 - 10,000+ accounts terminated - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...17da61235fd9e1

Source for the above - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ews/category/1

They do plenty to deal with RMT. Typically they're tracing where Gil goes before they act so that they're hitting the buyer, the advertisers, the traders, and the bots that are sourcing the Gil.

Unless you're referring to RMT pertaining to paid carries, then those are being worked on to be addressed. In a recent interview Yoshi-P stated the ToS needs updating so it can properly be addressed.



I mean if you want to look at it that way sure, but you're just getting the Gil you would have gotten from the quests up until that point.

There's alot of unique mounts in wow is what I mean. People act like it's 500 horses and wolves with different colors and all the cool stuff is on the store. Mimiron's head isn't on the store, neither is the engineer motorcycle and helicopter or the tree that changes color depending on what irl season it is or the love rocket or the 5 seater hivemind... You could make a big list and xiv is not innocent at making cheap mount recolors. Both wow and xiv have a ton of cheap reskins and keep the cool stuff in stores with a sprinkle of nice mounts from in game rewards every now and then.

Like you said those aren't rmt bans. Those are for things like the level 1 bots spamming their shady website in town. They could ban a million and it doesn't matter if there's no preventive measures whatsoever and even then that just slows them down a bit. A bot will just make a new account and go park itself back in limsa after the 2 min intro. They'll never be able to ban rmt cause they'll just advertise themselves in pf with something like $UCOB$ followed by a discord without every actually using the word sale. So unless they want to pay people to be undercover gms 24 hours a day 7 days a week to catch them it's here to stay.

Yoshi said it goes back into the game, but he also said houses will never auto-demo. Doesn't matter if he really is telling the truth as things change. I also find it hard to believe they'd have sacrificed the entire revenue of EU if there was no mogstation. wow had na eu and asia servers before in game stores were a thing. If mogstation truly is running the game then they must be siphoning the hell out of subs and game sales for other projects.

I just find it funny when I watch both games do the exact same thing and one gets continuously bashed for it while the other doesn't. If blizzard made holiday mounts only to take them away and sell them on the store 1 year later we all know you'd never hear the end of it and asmon,bellular,preach and all that would make a million videos about how trash blizzard is.

[Doru_Nintendan]

i looked over the topic and reported numerous comments that were stirring up trouble and making rude or downright negative remarks towards me. It seems I have a number of fangirls and fanboys :shrug

Well, maybe if you weren't so quick to try and "delete" or "close" your threads, people wouldn't be making those "rude" and "negative" remarks. The fact that you do hide whatever you post whenever someone doesn't really agree with your takes doesn't really leave a good impression on others. And it's really hard and confusing as hell when the only way to get context is from various quotes that might not have the full context because of your attempt to "close" your posts entirely.

Honestly, I think you might have a better discussion and experience entirely if you were to let people see the full context. Why even bother to post something when all you're gonna do is hide it in the end anyways? That sounds really petty, IMO.

[Sotaris]

i looked over the topic and reported numerous comments that were stirring up trouble and making rude or downright negative remarks towards me. It seems I have a number of fangirls and fanboys :shrug





yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with a lot of the mounts. Same model, different texture.

You didn't get any negative remarks. people didn't agree with your post and you got upset and "closed" it.

[Larirawiel]

Ehhhhhh you can get gil through the cash shop. Just make an alt and buy the story skip. $25 for what 500k gil? Nothing spectacular but it's enough to do things like fill up on crafting crystals and what not.

That is interesting. Thank you very much for this information.

Cheers