Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[FrogDog]

Maybe the stat squish will make people pay attention more too. I feel like in some instances people ran CT better back during the HW expansion. For example, during HW I always saw people tank the bone dragon in the center and healers just heal through the skeletons. Now people pull off to a side and I've actually seen people die if too many skeletons blow up. It feels slower than the old method for sure and I wonder if it's just because a fair amount of people end up just standing around semi-afk

[MaxCarnage]

If the cutscenes are short, wouldn't hurt to wait for them. And just like what SturmChurro said, I've never seen this happen over CT raids.
Also, can we please stop the GCBTW and white-knighting memes? Nothing wrong with wanting a new player to have a good experience. What to me qualifies as white-knighting is when people jump in to defend someone who is actually in the wrong.

I see this happen in CT raids all the time.

Also, I'd like to add, you can't just change the definition of white knight to suit your needs. A white knight is someone with an unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need aiding. The key indicator being "may not". If someone needs help, sure. But these people who get nasty about cutscenes, they're not the sprout. And the sprout doesn't say anything. I have only ever seen a sprout complain about someone pulling early once in the entirety of my 2 years playing. But I have lost count of the amount of times people with no relation to the sprout step up on their behalf (and the sprout still doesn't say anything!)

Now I'm not saying this just goes for people defending sprouts. It can be prevalent on both sides of any disagreement. The biggest thing to take into consideration about whether you, or someone else, is being a "white knight" is if the help that is being "offered" is solicited or not. A lot of sprouts don't seem to care. I know I've seen quiet a large amount even on the forums saying they don't care either way. Yet you still feel the need to defend them.

[Eien713]

Also, I'd like to add, you can't just change the definition of white knight to suit your needs. A white knight is someone with an unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need aiding.

I do know the actual meaning for it, but people treat it like it's always a bad thing, when to me, it's not. If you're standing up for someone being bullied or treated unfairly, then white-knighting isn't a bad thing. So my definition for it is an adaptation based on the way the community seems to define/view it. I'm yet to see anyone use the term white-knighting in a positive way.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Didn't we just have a big thread about this a couple days ago? Can we not do it again? Or at least move it back over there so it doesn't clog up two threads?

[Hausti]

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Since we already had a thread about pulling during cutscenes not so long ago, i will just repeat myself:

Common courtesy or not. If someone gets angry and starts yelling at someone, i honestly think they have other problems.
Best to ignore the chat then. Dont argue, dont feed them. Its not worth the headache. Finish the dungeon and move on.

[Cubsbane]

Maybe the stat squish will make people pay attention more too. I feel like in some instances people ran CT better back during the HW expansion. For example, during HW I always saw people tank the bone dragon in the center and healers just heal through the skeletons. Now people pull off to a side and I've actually seen people die if too many skeletons blow up. It feels slower than the old method for sure and I wonder if it's just because a fair amount of people end up just standing around semi-afk

Oh man, my friend just sent me a screenshot she took of people lying around dead in Labyrinth because the dragon was in the middle.

I actually prefer when it's in the middle when I'm on healer because I get to do more than Medica II and sometimes Esuna in between smacking the dragon with rocks and wind.

I hate saying this because every time I do it sounds like I'm being elitist, so I need everyone to understand that I am an average to below-average healer, but it is not difficult to heal through this stuff. I'd understand if it was mostly sprouts struggling, but it isn't.

[Hatfright]

Well. Never before I wiped on ARR Shiva till today. Went there with my alt on SCH, tank who grabbed the boss first kept turning her around and cleaved people. When asked to stay put and not spinning the boss, they just snarked back on us. After a wipe got people cleaved again. Second tank tried to provoke, but it goes both ways, so had to stay close to the edge of the arena to be safe. Call me toxic, but not healing said cleaving tank was nice.

[Snorky]

Well. Never before I wiped on ARR Shiva till today. Went there with my alt on SCH, tank who grabbed the boss first kept turning her around and cleaved people. When asked to stay put and not spinning the boss, they just snarked back on us. After a wipe got people cleaved again. Second tank tried to provoke, but it goes both ways, so had to stay close to the edge of the arena to be safe. Call me toxic, but not healing said cleaving tank was nice.

Good for you! Seriously there have been a lot of that lately, tanks spinning bosses. What is up with that?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Had a tank trying to spin Titan.....right until he ran into a Landslide and got pitched off the edge. Praise Father Titan!

[Almandaragal]

I just don't understand why people do this, like I get it, you want them quick queue times so you queue tank/healer, but PLEASE gain a basic understand of the job before you enter content so you don't end up creating unnecessary chaos in a run. And please, if someones gives you advice, don't get randomly hostile for no reason.

Seriously. Like, I got bored of DPS queue times (leveling the last two jobs to 80, both are DPS), so I decided to use the moogle tome event to brush up on healing a bit again by doing Amourot when I'm burnt out on waiting. Since I haven't healed anything outside of early HW in awhile, I actually bothered to take Trusts there to get a feel for the mob composition again before I burdened players. Even so, I still gave them a heads up that I hadn't healed in a bit. It's not super difficult to at least re-read tooltips or watch a 5 min video or something if you're going to take on a role that requires some presence of mind (... err, no pun intended).

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Which brings me to the actual Amourot run I did. We spawn in, I had the heads up already typed and ready to send, and did so before the barrier lifted. Me on WHM, GNB as tank, and SMN + DRG as DPS. First pack seems small, but then I remember you can't do more than that on the first pack in Amourot, because the second pack spawns a bit after the first/once you do enough damage or whatever. But it's when the second pack spawns that I realize something is off. Bomb tethers to DRG and they're running around like Greg's enkidu with its head cut off. Okay, so, probably first time, not a big deal. Crap's taking awhile to die, but okay, it's whatever. I have enough oGCD healing to deal with the lack of lilies on the first pull.

As we move on though, I realize that I'm doing more damage than the DRG. As a healer. A rusty healer who's like, forgetting to hit assize for 5-10 seconds after CD is up sometimes. We get to the first boss, caterpillar type with the rocks and falling wall. DRG eats the first meteor. Eh, happens to the best of us. We see two, almost three falling walls. We keep going, crap seems to be dying slowly, I'm still 3rd in damage, and we get to bird. Nothing crazy here, but it certainly feels similar to when I just ran it with trusts, because the adds just die so slow.

Finally, getting to the last set of pulls, with all the big boys and the final boss trying to snipe you. Again, super slow. We did get a bit of a laugh on the last batch, though. Crap was coming down to near the end of the last pack, I'm all out of lily heals and all my oGCDs besides bene (Tank is good, it's just taking so long that despite the high self sustain, we can't keep up). One of the DPS is almost dead, AND so is the tank. Boss probably hit someone. Pretty sure it was DRG, but I can't be sure. I go to bene tank and... I apparently targeted the DPS. Immediately start mousing to swift, and I see super go off. Oh thank goodness. Pop a cure II, divine benison, and get a lily back so finish up that way. The tank and I have a laugh because they didn't want to super right after a bene, and I, well, did the dumb.

Get to the last boss, and this is were it gets fun. DRG fully eats every single laser that wasn't apokalypsis. Like, any time the heads came out, they would get hit-- and not move. First time I dropped a heal on them, but they didn't move and just died. Okay, maybe they're just slow to move, so I'd drop a regen when the lasers were coming up, so they'd have that buffer. Died to the next one. Fine, but you're waiting until the next apokalypsis so I can hard raise you. Do that, and next laser, dead. I'm not hard raising you again, you're waiting for swift. Then they're up, because our beast of a SMN pulled them up. Only to die again shortly thereafter. At this point we're down to the last bits of platform where you end up if you do crap DPS. Like, we just barely got to this point in my Trust run, and we still have a good bit left here. By the time it was all over, I'm left scratching my head, comming the SMN who managed to raise our floortank multiple times and still do good DPS, and wonder how I did 1.5x the damage of a DPS while having to constantly expend all of my healing resources just to attempt to keep them alive.

Best part? All in HQ Exarchic gear. Must have been a job skip, because only DRG was 80, and anything that was otherwise unlocked was at it's unlock level (MCH 30, GNB/DNC 60, etc). I mean, I got two comms, but it still just felt odd. Gonna have to run again to see how much was that bad experience versus me needing to get better.