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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    Honestly, I don't think that's totally necessary. I think if they just make Thin Air a skill that applies the Lily effect to any of WHM's healing skills, you get the same thing you want without increasing the button bloat. Basically, new Thin Air would be like this:

    Additionally, I believe I've already discussed with you why Lilybell costing lilies is a bad idea. Since Lilybell is an oGCD, using it on cooldown will always be a dps gain for nourishing the Blood Lily. On top of that, making it cost three Lilies, as per your suggestion, means that every other Lily action is basically unviable.
    There's 2 ways I'm reading your Thin Air suggestion.

    1) Thin Air now costs a lily to use. That would be a massive nerf to Thin Air cause then I would always have to hold on to a Lily on the off chance someone dies or I have to pay the full price for a rez.

    or

    2) I need a Lily to cast my next healing spell to nourish the Blood Lily and if I don't have 1, I'm out of luck towards making progress for Misery, and even if I do have a lily to burn, it wouldn't result in a DPS gain because I would still need to cast 2 other Lily skills as well as Misery vs the 4 Glare casts that Misery is competing with.

    Neither option resolves the issue with the Lily system being a DPS loss for WHM and creates new problems instead.

    Now, I do concede that Lilybell costing 3 lilies can potentially make the other Lily Abilities unviable, in which case, Lilybell's CD can be adjusted so that it isn't always available, giving the other Lily skills a time and place for usage; Hell, with how much I packed into Lilybell, it would actually warrant the 3 minute CD that its currently looking to be strapped with and I appreciate giving me that insight for it.

    However, the primary reason I suggest putting it on both the Lily System and on the GCD is because it doesn't interact with WHM's toolkit in its current form. It doesn't gain benefits from Temperance or PI and unless Asylum is up with it, the 400 potency heal tics just aren't enough to justify a 3 minute CD. Not only that but it actively goes against normal healer protocol and encourages the WHM to take damage so that they can sit there and cast Glare more since the Lilybell will heal the party; IT'S THE LEYLINES OF WHM!!!! I can already see WHM's trying desperately to squeeze out the most damage possible while Lilybell is up, siting in an easily avoidable AoE just so that they can cast Glare and that is a problem. Lilybell in its current form is a TERRIBLE ability, from either a DPS perspective or a healer one. It needs to be changed and I'm entirely open to any and all suggestions to do so.
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 10-22-2021 at 12:39 AM.