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[Nibelung_Valesti]

Not at all, it's straight to the point. There is so much to do with housing, styling and glamour, parties and raves in night clubs, and other social events on top of that while finishing every savage, unreal and ultimate fights.
There are also a bunch of mini-games in gold saucer like the triad, minion battles, chocobo racing, and all the side quests, hunting, eureka, heaven on high and Palace of the Dead, and that massive lore available in the game just to name a few.
Collecting minions and mounts which with the new island will be my personal enjoyment and end game content along with the costumes, glamour and parties that's for sure.

[Velnora]

Not at all, it's straight to the point. There is so much to do with housing, styling and glamour, parties and raves in night clubs, and other social events on top of that while finishing every savage, unreal and ultimate fights.
There are also a bunch of mini-games in gold saucer like the triad, minion battles, chocobo racing, and all the side quests, hunting, eureka, heaven on high and Palace of the Dead, and that massive lore available in the game just to name a few.
Collecting minions and mounts which with the new island will be my personal enjoyment and end game content along with the costumes, glamour and parties that's for sure.

The game has a bunch of salad, but very little meat and potatoes.

[Poporito_Popoto]

The game has a bunch of salad, but very little meat and potatoes.

Yet here you are.

[Velnora]

Yet here you are.

I know. It's sad.

[Ronduwil]

The game has a bunch of salad, but very little meat and potatoes.

Agreed, in the sense that it's chock full of healthy stuff with only a handful of the stuff that's high in cholesterol and carbs. Seriously, though, my favorite aspect of an MMO is the leveling experience, and I think that FFXIV's leveling experience was fantastic. Savix has a video where he's trying to convince the mods on his stream to try out FFXIV, and one of them asks, "How long does it take to level cap?" His response was, "You're thinking like a WoW player. The level cap doesn't matter. You can have fun at all levels in this game." It's refreshing to see that perspective return. The endgame is just that: the end of the game. Building an MMO around an endgame is a losing prospect because the point of the endgame is to keep you busy once you've run out of content. By nature, it's going to be grindy, difficult, and fun only for the most hardcore players. I'm so glad that SE hasn't completely lost sight of that fact the way that WoW has.

What you're so affectionately calling "meat and potatoes" is the part of the game that most new players could care less about. I know lots of people love raiding, but I personally don't find much joy in practicing against the same set of hardcore boss for days and/or weeks until defeating them is second nature, only to continue repeatedly farming them week in and week out for another pull at the loot lever. I prefer the diversity that's inherent in leveling a character: the changes of scenery, the plots twists in the story, the updates to my rotation, and the sense of power progression are the real meat and potatoes, in my opinion, and FFXIV has those in spades.

[Velnora]

Agreed, in the sense that it's chock full of healthy stuff with only a handful of the stuff that's high in cholesterol and carbs. Seriously, though, my favorite aspect of an MMO is the leveling experience, and I think that FFXIV's leveling experience was fantastic. Savix has a video where he's trying to convince the mods on his stream to try out FFXIV, and one of them asks, "How long does it take to level cap?" His response was, "You're thinking like a WoW player. The level cap doesn't matter. You can have fun at all levels in this game." It's refreshing to see that perspective return. The endgame is just that: the end of the game. Building an MMO around an endgame is a losing prospect because the point of the endgame is to keep you busy once you've run out of content. By nature, it's going to be grindy, difficult, and fun only for the most hardcore players. I'm so glad that SE hasn't completely lost sight of that fact the way that WoW has.

What you're so affectionately calling "meat and potatoes" is the part of the game that most new players could care less about. I know lots of people love raiding, but I personally don't find much joy in practicing against the same set of hardcore boss for days and/or weeks until defeating them is second nature, only to continue repeatedly farming them week in and week out for another pull at the loot lever. I prefer the diversity that's inherent in leveling a character: the changes of scenery, the plots twists in the story, the updates to my rotation, and the sense of power progression are the real meat and potatoes, in my opinion, and FFXIV has those in spades.

A. I don't care about raiding. Which is the issue. Outside of raids, the PvE content is severely lacking.
B. "What you're so affectionately calling "meat and potatoes" is the part of the game that most new players could care less about." I wouldn't ever dare to try and speak for people and what they care about. Especially when it's impossible to even know.

[Ronduwil]

A. I don't care about raiding. Which is the issue. Outside of raids, the PvE content is severely lacking.

I don't understand what you want, then. There's Bozja, there's PoD/HoH, there's housing/gardening, there's glamour, there are beast tribe dailies, there's the duty roulette, there's crafting, and if all else fails, you can always level a new character from scratch. It seems to me like there's tons of PvE content. What exactly are you expecting?

[Velnora]

I don't understand what you want, then. There's Bozja, there's PoD/HoH, there's housing/gardening, there's glamour, there are beast tribe dailies, there's the duty roulette, there's crafting, and if all else fails, you can always level a new character from scratch. It seems to me like there's tons of PvE content. What exactly are you expecting?

Last I checked, majority of those listed, are not PvE content. Of the two, one serves niche purpose for an ugly "imo" relic, and the other is content that is 4-6 years old and doesn't actually provide any incentive to run it.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Last I checked, majority of those listed, are not PvE content. Of the two, one serves niche purpose for an ugly "imo" relic, and the other is content that is 4-6 years old and doesn't actually provide any incentive to run it.

Bozja - PvE
PoD/HoH - PvE
Housing/gardening - noncombat
glamour - PvE, PvP, noncombat depending on the glamour
Beast tribes - PvE/crafting
Duty roulette - PvE/PvP
Crafting - duh


Bozja has minons, furniture, glamour, a mount. Same with PoD/Hoh.

There's achievement hunting, Hunt trains, side quests for story, etc.

If none of that interests you, then that is your choice. Plenty to do for the rest of us.