Dev Team Feedback - SCH

[Con_Moo]

I'd like a second DoT personally, perhaps with higher DPS when casting Broil on a target affected by said DoTs. Heck, I'd even take a proc off the DoT damage as an additional nuke and leave Broil as is. Probably have to replace Ruin II, the action bars are already pretty full.

[Hanayumi]

Feels like Sch dps chances took a hard nose dive since Sge, seems like thats going to be the go to dps healer for now on, sooo... I actually wouldnt mind them fixing things up with Sch fairy or giving Sch a interesting support kit instead. Maybe building on Chain Stratagem?

• Drop Chain Stratagem CD to like 60sec but also reduce to 5%
• Have it trigger 1 of 3 random effects afterward
  -Vital Point Head - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is phys range they also receive 20% Crit
  -Vital Point Body - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is caster they also receive 20% Crit
  -Vital Point Limbs - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is melee they also receive 20% Crit
• New skill "Focus Tactics" lets you place the Vital buff on someone or self

This is just a rando thought and very much similar to Ast but you get the idea, something other than dps or healing you can do so Sch isnt so dull...

[Shurrikhan]

I'd like a second DoT personally, perhaps with higher DPS when casting Broil on a target affected by said DoTs. Heck, I'd even take a proc off the DoT damage as an additional nuke and leave Broil as is. Probably have to replace Ruin II, the action bars are already pretty full.

I'll take the second DoT, but I do not want to see a vulnerability debuff unless it's actually going to constitute a contextually meaningful choice rather than a mere extra GCD of ramp-up.

That said, I don't see how the bars are terribly overpacked, especially if the other bloat were removed or consolidated (as per Summon Eos/Selene, who can easily be combined and summoned automatically on equipping SCH or, say, having Fey Blessing turn into Consolation upon Seraph's summoning).

[Con_Moo]

I'll take the second DoT, but I do not want to see a vulnerability debuff unless it's actually going to constitute a contextually meaningful choice rather than a mere extra GCD of ramp-up.

That said, I don't see how the bars are terribly overpacked, especially if the other bloat were removed or consolidated (as per Summon Eos/Selene, who can easily be combined and summoned automatically on equipping SCH or, say, having Fey Blessing turn into Consolation upon Seraph's summoning).

Good Lord, it doesn't do that? Sorry, I just assumed it would. I'm 76 and closing in on the big 8 0. The idea that Seraph wouldn't update the faerie abilities it replaced didn't even occur to me.

I suppose another way to DPS would be through Selene and give her something different to do. Perhaps the inverse of what the healing actions accomplish. Selene's Whispering Dawn would be a weak AoE dot for example, or her Fey Illumination increases attack magic potency by 10% and magic damage done by 5%. Have Selene be the rebellious sister to the Eos cleanshirt goody twoshoes.

I dunno, I'm just making this up as I go.

[inhaledcorn]

Good Lord, it doesn't do that? Sorry, I just assumed it would. I'm 76 and closing in on the big 8 0. The idea that Seraph wouldn't update the faerie abilities it replaced didn't even occur to me.

I suppose another way to DPS would be through Selene and give her something different to do. Perhaps the inverse of what the healing actions accomplish. Selene's Whispering Dawn would be a weak AoE dot for example, or her Fey Illumination increases attack magic potency by 10% and magic damage done by 5%. Have Selene be the rebellious sister to the Eos cleanshirt goody twoshoes.

I dunno, I'm just making this up as I go.

The problem with adding any sort of DPS to Selene is that just gives us the opposite problem that we had when the fairies were different: Instead of Eos being the better fairy, it would be Selene. No one would use Eos for the extra healing if it can be covered elsewhere.

Scholar has enough problems with the kit fighting itself and losing damage on healing. That's the main reason why I dropped it for raids. It felt terrible to try to optimize.

[Sebazy]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-revamp-theory.

I made a SCH revamp of my own targeting exactly this many years back.

The core of the idea was to have Eos doing the lifting but with there being a gauge cost to leaning on her. Meanwhile a 2 minute CD was there in place of dissipation to emphasise bringing in Selene briefly for a burst of DPS buffs before switching back to Eos.

In hindsight, the numbers would have needed to be tuned quite a lot vs what I've listed, but I still think the mechanics of my suggestion are sound even today.

[HyperiusUltima]

So, looking back on the thread, there's plenty of the same thrown around.

1) "SCH is uninteresting/boring."

Reflects in the trailer. Didn't really wow people, but drew their ire that nothing fun or interesting happened.

2) "SCH needs more than one DPS button."

Healer design. This I can see happening when they go to do damage control after SCH is kicked to the curb, if they bother. If anything I'll just be blunt and figure 'potency adjustments' are enough from how the combat team handles this job.

That's at least the two most common things I hear here anyhow(which are commonplace on the healer forums too). As for the White Knight list, I follow Deceptus on those lines because the veterans have seen more than enough over the years to understand SE and their handling of Healers in general - and their tendency to bring a lackluster response, such as taking a hammer to glass in the case of Warrior back in Stormblood for example when Shake it Off was just a self-Esuna.

The only things I can see for SCH are really if they actually do a big fairy rework somewhere mid-expac, honestly. And of course, if SGE was buffed somewhere along the line before then because of lackluster potencies, you're going to get meta complainers as well once things are solidified in 6 months after launch.

[Deceptus]

It seems to me that the Broil line of upgrades is all over the place looking at the potencies in EW

Broil > Broil 2 is 9% increase

Broil 2 > Broil 3 is a 6.5% increase

Broil 3 > Broil 4 is a 15% increase.

It really does seem like they just threw potencies out there without any normalization.

[HyperiusUltima]

It seems to me that the Broil line of upgrades is all over the place looking at the potencies in EW

Broil > Broil 2 is 9% increase

Broil 2 > Broil 3 is a 6.5% increase

Broil 3 > Broil 4 is a 15% increase.

It really does seem like they just threw potencies out there without any normalization.

Lemme look at the other jobs real quick and check their maths.

According to calculation:

WHM

Stone -> Stone II 35.7% Potency increase

Stone II -> Stone III 21% Potency increase

Stone III -> Stone IV 17.3% Potency increase

Stone IV -> Glare 7.4% Potency Increase

Glare -> Glare III 6.8% Potency Increase


AST

Malefic -> Malefic II 13% Potency Increase

Malefic II -> Malefic III 23.5% Potency Increase

Malefic III -> Malefic IV 9.5% Potency Increase

Malefic IV -> Fall Malefic 8.6% Potency Increase

Honestly, I think I see a more downward trend when it comes to them adjusting their jobs over the years so they don't have a Healer doing a lot of DPS on one spell. Still, the potency makes sense if we look at it as an expansion overview with how they've treated healers each expac as well as a set of design choices they decided to take in regards to the jobs for that point in time.

[Raikai]

I had so many hopes for a SCH heavy rework in the light of SGE... alas.

The concept I wanted for the job, with a rework, is making Faeries the shielders. Every fairy heal is a shield, even Embrace... Scholar's hardcasts are regular ST/AOE heals. Why? It's kind of baffling that the current "shield healer" avoids casting shields (as you should avoid your hardcasts heals), because none of the oGCDs, except Seraph, are shields.

You'd think a shield healer would spend most of their time shielding, but in the current case, actual shields are just something that happens very infrequently with the Seraph or the spread Critloquium... If the fight is going well, most of the bulk of my healing comes from Lustrates, Excogs, Indom, Whispering Winds and Fey Blessing.