Dev Team Feedback - SCH

[MellowMink]

Scholar has plenty of healing resources but with the fewest amount of DPS options; attacking becomes extremely limited and boring pretty quickly, and I was further offended when Square Enix later lowered Energy Drain's potency in a stated attempt to get players to only use that for regaining MP rather than it being another attack option. Scholar already had so few attack options, so making that change made things even worse.

[Brandedblade]

Scholar has plenty of healing resources but with the fewest amount of DPS options; attacking becomes extremely limited and boring pretty quickly, and I was further offended when Square Enix later lowered Energy Drain's potency in a stated attempt to get players to only use that for regaining MP rather than it being another attack option. Scholar already had so few attack options, so making that change made things even worse.

They want Energy Drain to be your resource dump for unneeded stacks, not the primary way to spend your stacks. While they're never going to succeed at that with how important DPS is in this game, it's still rather shocking they're allowing us to keep it. Fortunately now that you have the Broil cast time you'll be able to use Fey Union far easier, which I do believe will make up for that issue, you don't need healing now? Pop Fey union for a few ticks here and there and don't use the Aetherflow to heal.

[GrimGale]

They want Energy Drain to be your resource dump for unneeded stacks, not the primary way to spend your stacks. While they're never going to succeed at that with how important DPS is in this game, it's still rather shocking they're allowing us to keep it. Fortunately now that you have the Broil cast time you'll be able to use Fey Union far easier, which I do believe will make up for that issue, you don't need healing now? Pop Fey union for a few ticks here and there and don't use the Aetherflow to heal.

And you can make Fey Union last longer by burning your stacks into Energy Drain which gives 30 Faerie Gauge.

[ZaqueXIII]

More thoughts on scholar.

Sage and whm are very similar theorhetically from the sound. They can build up to a damage ability by using their resources and additionally they have many abilities that allow them to damage and heal simultaneously with little in the way of boosting party damage(selfish dps wise).

However when compairing scholar and astro there is one part where scholar falls short. Scholar lacks a regularly engaing support utility. This is not to say scholar should get astro buffs but just that perhaps a mechanic where you can regularly(every 30 seconds or so) apply a single target buff might help the job feel less spammy and more engaing for those who play it. Like a small increase to direct or crit hits which could be applied to single targets giving it something to do outside of broil spam. Or to prevent a samey feeling it could be a targeted debuff, these dont have to be long either even like 5-6 seconds. And maybe *cough* it could be spread by an ability like bane along with our DOT to make it useful for dungeons too * cough*

[Con_Moo]

I'd like a second DoT personally, perhaps with higher DPS when casting Broil on a target affected by said DoTs. Heck, I'd even take a proc off the DoT damage as an additional nuke and leave Broil as is. Probably have to replace Ruin II, the action bars are already pretty full.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd like a second DoT personally, perhaps with higher DPS when casting Broil on a target affected by said DoTs. Heck, I'd even take a proc off the DoT damage as an additional nuke and leave Broil as is. Probably have to replace Ruin II, the action bars are already pretty full.

I'll take the second DoT, but I do not want to see a vulnerability debuff unless it's actually going to constitute a contextually meaningful choice rather than a mere extra GCD of ramp-up.

That said, I don't see how the bars are terribly overpacked, especially if the other bloat were removed or consolidated (as per Summon Eos/Selene, who can easily be combined and summoned automatically on equipping SCH or, say, having Fey Blessing turn into Consolation upon Seraph's summoning).

[Con_Moo]

I'll take the second DoT, but I do not want to see a vulnerability debuff unless it's actually going to constitute a contextually meaningful choice rather than a mere extra GCD of ramp-up.

That said, I don't see how the bars are terribly overpacked, especially if the other bloat were removed or consolidated (as per Summon Eos/Selene, who can easily be combined and summoned automatically on equipping SCH or, say, having Fey Blessing turn into Consolation upon Seraph's summoning).

Good Lord, it doesn't do that? Sorry, I just assumed it would. I'm 76 and closing in on the big 8 0. The idea that Seraph wouldn't update the faerie abilities it replaced didn't even occur to me.

I suppose another way to DPS would be through Selene and give her something different to do. Perhaps the inverse of what the healing actions accomplish. Selene's Whispering Dawn would be a weak AoE dot for example, or her Fey Illumination increases attack magic potency by 10% and magic damage done by 5%. Have Selene be the rebellious sister to the Eos cleanshirt goody twoshoes.

I dunno, I'm just making this up as I go.

[inhaledcorn]

Good Lord, it doesn't do that? Sorry, I just assumed it would. I'm 76 and closing in on the big 8 0. The idea that Seraph wouldn't update the faerie abilities it replaced didn't even occur to me.

I suppose another way to DPS would be through Selene and give her something different to do. Perhaps the inverse of what the healing actions accomplish. Selene's Whispering Dawn would be a weak AoE dot for example, or her Fey Illumination increases attack magic potency by 10% and magic damage done by 5%. Have Selene be the rebellious sister to the Eos cleanshirt goody twoshoes.

I dunno, I'm just making this up as I go.

The problem with adding any sort of DPS to Selene is that just gives us the opposite problem that we had when the fairies were different: Instead of Eos being the better fairy, it would be Selene. No one would use Eos for the extra healing if it can be covered elsewhere.

Scholar has enough problems with the kit fighting itself and losing damage on healing. That's the main reason why I dropped it for raids. It felt terrible to try to optimize.

[Hanayumi]

Feels like Sch dps chances took a hard nose dive since Sge, seems like thats going to be the go to dps healer for now on, sooo... I actually wouldnt mind them fixing things up with Sch fairy or giving Sch a interesting support kit instead. Maybe building on Chain Stratagem?

• Drop Chain Stratagem CD to like 60sec but also reduce to 5%
• Have it trigger 1 of 3 random effects afterward
  -Vital Point Head - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is phys range they also receive 20% Crit
  -Vital Point Body - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is caster they also receive 20% Crit
  -Vital Point Limbs - Player receives 20% Direct Hit, if player is melee they also receive 20% Crit
• New skill "Focus Tactics" lets you place the Vital buff on someone or self

This is just a rando thought and very much similar to Ast but you get the idea, something other than dps or healing you can do so Sch isnt so dull...

[Sebazy]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-revamp-theory.

I made a SCH revamp of my own targeting exactly this many years back.

The core of the idea was to have Eos doing the lifting but with there being a gauge cost to leaning on her. Meanwhile a 2 minute CD was there in place of dissipation to emphasise bringing in Selene briefly for a burst of DPS buffs before switching back to Eos.

In hindsight, the numbers would have needed to be tuned quite a lot vs what I've listed, but I still think the mechanics of my suggestion are sound even today.