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    currentlemon's Avatar
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    Celica Genhu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    DragonBall FighterZ is another example of this. Extremely easy and fun as hell to get into, but super deep if you want it to be.
    That game is another good example, yes. Though I brought up Guilty Gear Strive and Melty Blood Type Lumina because their past games were extremely complex. Both great games despite being simplified for new players. And heck, Strive is getting an update on Friday with the devs stating that it will make the game more fun. We've yet to see the changes though.
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    Irenia Ataska
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    There should be a pure healer that is engaging.

    AST kinda felt like busywork than engaging imo in ShB...I'm going to try again in Endwalker though
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  3. #13
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    Rosa Frandlia
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    The change to Thin Air also pretty much shows the view on healers DPS'ing. 12 second duration, but only one spell? It is like they want healers to just stand there and use oGCD's with that change.
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    Dear Boy
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    Fisher Lv 100
    I wonder, is the reason they won't give SCH a single target oGCD barrier due to the fact that Seraphic Veil exists ? Every other healing class has at least one... right ?
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    Acece Ace
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    So we can blame the casuals for healer design lmao. half joking of course
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    The change to Thin Air also pretty much shows the view on healers DPS'ing. 12 second duration, but only one spell? It is like they want healers to just stand there and use oGCD's with that change.
    Thinking about it, the Thin Air Change makes zero sense. Between oGCD heals and Lilies, WHM's rarely have to rely on GCD heals that cost MP. Were they thinking of this as a rezing tool?
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Which is freaking hilarious (and insulting) because SCH USED to be the go to DPS healer and it was nerfed into the ground and had it's DPS options removed.

    Only for SE to say that Sage is now the new DPS healer. OK, if you want to differentiate between "pure healers" and "barrier Healers" then let BOTH of the barrier healers be DPS oriented, not just the new flashy job.
    Well...I don't know, that would mean that the pure healer in many statics would be forced to play a boring job. At least it seems that in EW we'll have 1 decent pure healer (AST) and 1 decent barrier healer (SGE) machanically speaking.

    But yeah, the two legacy healers look soooo boring :/
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  8. #18
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Thinking about it, the Thin Air Change makes zero sense. Between oGCD heals and Lilies, WHM's rarely have to rely on GCD heals that cost MP. Were they thinking of this as a rezing tool?
    They've never directly talked about this, but based on how the healers have evolved over time, I can't help but feel that they just don't get how healers prioritize actions. I firmly believe they see your Cure, Cure II, Medica, Medica II, Adloquium, Succor, etc. healing spells as the core of your healing that you resort to most frequently and that we save OGCDs for emergencies. It makes so much sense when you think about their perspective that way. It couldn't possibly be more wrong, but that's what it seems to be like.

    Think about this too, they divided healing into categories not unlike the categories of Melee, Ranged DPS, and Magical DPS for the DPS role. Look at the drastic differences in playstyle from one of those to the other. They seem to think that the difference in playstyle between "pure healers" and "barrier healers" is akin to that of the difference between Melee DPS and Magical DPS, yet the only actual difference between the two is basically whether they have a Cure II, Regen, and Medica II or Adloquium and Succor. These are some of our least used actions on the hotbar these days, and the designers seem to think they are role-defining.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunhwapark View Post
    I wonder, is the reason they won't give SCH a single target oGCD barrier due to the fact that Seraphic Veil exists ? Every other healing class has at least one... right ?
    And WHM even got a 2nd single target shield.
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  10. #20
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    Acece Ace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    And WHM even got a 2nd single target shield.
    It's only a 15% damage reduction on a single target with a 60 sec cd, is actually kind of sucks lol.

    Edit: you were probably talking about the 2nd divine benison mb.
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    Last edited by Acece; 10-14-2021 at 12:41 AM.

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