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  1. #15081
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Everything comes at the cost of other things in the game. I hate fishing but I don't go around crying that they shouldn't waste resources on that because I'm not interested in it. I don't play female characters yet I don't constantly whine about how they clearly favor them for glamour and gearing options. Weak argument, really.
    Those aren't even comparable.
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    WHM | RDM | DNC

  2. #15082
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    with the embargo gone and seeing all media tour videos with people as male viera they do look very nice in a lot of gear
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  3. #15083
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Those aren't even comparable.
    Of course they are. It's all content that competes for the devs' resources. And if I don't care about that specific content, it has zero value to me. "Resources are better spent elsewhere" is not a solid reasoning. It's just a declaration of preference that you'd better keep to yourself and is particularly foolish in this specific instance, considering the endorsement this very thread received. MViera will probably be much more popular than things that keep draining resources like LoV (every time a new minion is added) or BLU and very few people touch. But there are some players that do enjoy that kind of stuff, who are you to tell them that your preferences are more important than theirs?
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  4. #15084
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Of course they are. It's all content that competes for the devs' resources. And if I don't care about that specific content, it has zero value to me. "Resources are better spent elsewhere" is not a solid reasoning. It's just a declaration of preference that you'd better keep to yourself and is particularly foolish in this specific instance, considering the endorsement this very thread received. MViera will probably be much more popular than things that keep draining resources like LoV (every time a new minion is added) or BLU and very few people touch. But there are some players that do enjoy that kind of stuff, who are you to tell them that your preferences are more important than theirs?
    I was talking about niche aesthetics - in general. It's why I included this portion of the quote I replied to:

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I don't think mass appeal is necessarily a bad thing when it comes to features that require a lot of resources/long term investment. At the end of the day, most people do want to play conventionally attractive options because that's just what sells. A fairly high portion of players like to praise the existence of non-conventional options, but even many of those individuals do not put their money where their mouths are so to speak.
    I was in agreement with it.

    Fishing wouldn't even be done by the same team, and them making feminine glamour isn't them appealing to a niche request either. Hence why I stated they weren't comparable. I'm sorry, but I just don't think the wants of the few outweigh the wants of the many, just for the sake of it, in a game we all pay a monthly subscription for. I'd rather have options that actually look good, would be received well, and be worth the cost and time SE puts into creating it.

    My biggest gripe about the races - specifically male viera - coming out when they did is actually their limitations, and I can bring up quote after quote of me talking about it. I do think male viera was a highly popular request, and have also stated so many times. I think male viera came out too early, thus now they are a limited race. They won't get many hairstyles, hats, etc. Similarly, hrothgar is still in a state of requiring a fantasia to even change a hairstyle. I'd have rather seen those resources spent - currently - on resolving these issues, and male viera coming out at a later date, with more options available.

    Regardless, do I think male viera will "sell"? Yes! I think it will sell many fantasias, both for the people who switch to, and for those who switch back.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 10-13-2021 at 11:49 PM. Reason: clarify; editing while doing multiple things

  5. #15085
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    looks like no hats for either Viera
    but pretty expected so what ever

    they can wear reaper hat tho
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  6. #15086
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    With the media tour info hitting youtube...Im so excited~ Their emotes are really nice. Meoni has a nice long vid going though all the general tab ones, I expect Zepla to have a thorough preview out later too haha
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  7. #15087
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokke View Post
    With the media tour info hitting youtube...Im so excited~ Their emotes are really nice. Meoni has a nice long vid going though all the general tab ones, I expect Zepla to have a thorough preview out later too haha
    Personally Im just gonna wait the extra Month. Id rather see them in-game for myself, and without commentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    looks like no hats for either Viera
    but pretty expected so what ever

    they can wear reaper hat tho
    Just Like the Hrothgar
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  8. #15088
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    looks like no hats for either Viera
    but pretty expected so what ever

    they can wear reaper hat tho
    If Hrothgar can wear the WAR and Reaper (RPR...?) helms, I'm hoping [lowkey expecting] both races can at least wear all the artifact hats this time around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  9. #15089
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    If Hrothgar can wear the WAR and Reaper (RPR...?) helms, I'm hoping [lowkey expecting] both races can at least wear all the artifact hats this time around
    basically watched all mr happy vid and they cant wear some of the AF even zepla said they can not wear all the artifact helms (in EW media tour)
    just the usual they are fine with Circlets,ribbons,eye patches,SMN horn etc etc,
    Hrothgar will have some benefits of head gear over viera like normal.

    in Meonis vid he said (around 3:10) they are apparently working very hard to get head gear/hair styles added to viera in waves like xx.1,xx.2 (as an example not definite release) etc etc
    but we will see how that holds up in time.
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    Last edited by Duskane; 10-14-2021 at 01:03 AM.

  10. #15090
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    Talked about in this video at the 37.30 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QBb22z86c
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