Pulling wall to wall isn't fast enough?

[Dogempire]

That’s fine. If people want to wait, that’s on them. The true issue comes when the white knights desire those who don’t to be punished or start actively harassing while spewing vitriol

I don't get why people have such an issue with waiting for someone to finish their cutscene to pull, it's like the people who queue into leveling roulette and then instaquit when they get Aurum Vale, or the people who insist that they should be allowed to skip the MSQ roulette cutscenes if there aren't any new people. Heck you might as well complain about the barrier that prevents you from pulling the boss the second you load in because the people on console or slow PCs are obviously wasting your time by not playing on a $3000 pc

It's literally just 15 seconds, maybe 3 minutes if you get Toto-Rak, but let's just be impatient I guess

[Kolaina]

I don't get why people have such an issue with waiting for someone to finish their cutscene to pull, it's like the people who queue into leveling roulette and then instaquit when they get Aurum Vale, or the people who insist that they should be allowed to skip the MSQ roulette cutscenes if there aren't any new people. Heck you might as well complain about the barrier that prevents you from pulling the boss the second you load in because the people on console or slow PCs are obviously wasting your time by not playing on a $3000 pc

It's literally just 15 seconds, maybe 3 minutes if you get Toto-Rak, but let's just be impatient I guess

Most of your examples aren’t even remotely the same. Good attempt at trying to lump so much together so strengthen a position by turning it into many debates on different fronts. But look. No one is forcing anyone to skip cutscenes. You want to watch it your first time, do it. You may miss the beginning of the fight which you will experience again.
But if people do not want to wait cause at least in my experience, every single run, someone is new. I don’t blame them from feeling the fatigue. I myself only run expert, pvp, Nier raids and bozja content, nier and bozja have long cutscenes. Sometimes those runs drag out as is. So if every run is 3 minutes or more of cutscenes, and someone wants to pull instead… well, I’m in.
As I said earlier, at the end of the day, who are any of you to me? A means to get my runs done, or a means to hinder them. Either way I feel zero connection and thus, owe nobody anything

[Sebazy]

I don't get why people have such an issue with waiting for someone to finish their cutscene to pull

I don't get why people give a monkeys either way. If the group wants to go, let them go, if they want to wait, let them wait. Who the heck are we to force our narrow minded opinions on something so twee and irrelevant that it just doesn't matter.

[Izscha]

Others have tried the same slant on the argument, and no, it's not the same. Not remotely.

Arguing in favor of impatience is never the same as being patient. And technically, it's all "baby content". We're all playing a video game, something we're paying to be entertained by. It's not a job, there's no sub-requirements for participation, there's no technical requirements.

If you truly feel that being impatient and ruining another's 1st time experience in something that's supposed to be entertainment is worth it to save yourself a smidge of time because you're treating it like a job, then that's on you. Don't expect the rest of us who are ok with being patient to also be ok with being forced into participation because you don't want to be patient.

So you're the scale and judge who determine what's fun for me ?
If you love wasting time on random stuff it's on you, do not put me in the same bag and as a subscriber to this game myself i can enjoy my game by doing fast as much as you love it doing it slow.
What's funny with ppl like you is that you're the kind that will say "its a game you play whatever you want to have fun" and at the same time you're the one that will calls names people that doesn't fit ur little box of "having fun"

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why is it always the ones who accuse others of being "white knights" are always the ones who accuse others of name calling?

Eh, I think I'm done with this topic. End of the day, if I see someone watching the cut scenes, I'll wait for them. I just consider it a simple courtesy, and if I'm so tight on time that I can't spare that, I shouldn't be doing a duty roulette anyway. But I'm not gonna convince anyone, especially people who outright admit they don't care about other players, so there's no reason to keep spending energy on it.

[Kolsykol]

Whenever I read stuff like this it always tends to be people playing on NA servers.
I know some people from NA who play on EU and they're cool, but a lot of the things I see people talk about that there seem to be some consensus around is actually a thing I just never see at all on EU.
There's obviously toxicity but not these kinds of attitude problems and narcissism.

Tbh sometimes I just forget especially if it's a dungeon I just want to rush through.
I am not doing it intentionally tho and it's not like I act like a jerk about it if someone points out that they're watching a cinematic.
Usually I'll just stop dps:ing and tell others to as well and just hold the boss.

[MaxCarnage]

Why is it always the ones who accuse others of being "white knights" are always the ones who accuse others of name calling?

I don't know who you're referring to. I haven't seen anyone refer to someone as a white knight while simultaneously accusing people of name calling.

[weebtext]

Call it griefing, toxic, a waste of time or whatever you like. With whatever condescending tone you desire.

I call it basic curtesy to the sprout watching its cutscene. I stand by my comment.

You can call it whatever you want, but that won't change the fact that you aren't doing your job because you couldn't put aside your god complex and feel the need to 'punish' the people you don't like.

[Fyrebrand]

You can call it whatever you want, but that won't change the fact that you aren't doing your job because you couldn't put aside your god complex and feel the need to 'punish' the people you don't like.

If a tank is pulling a boss before the group is ready to go, then they aren't doing their job. If one player is in an extended cutscene, and another player wants to wait for them to be able to participate again, then that's half the dungeon party who isn't ready to go yet and it is irresponsible to engage a boss with half a group. Who the heck are you to say your desires trump 50% of the party? And how dare you imply that it's my "job" to cave to the whims of the most impatient random jerk who Duty Roulette can find to group me with?

I have a feeling if a player said "Hang on, I need a moment to let the dog out to pee," a lot of players would have no problem waiting. But if a player were to say "hang on, I want to be courteous to the newbie so they can watch a cutscene" for the same amount of time, suddenly wE DoN't wAiT fOr pEopLe!!!!!

Cutscenes are intentionally put there by the developers, as a part of the dungeon experience -- every bit as much as the battles are. If members of the group are stuck behind by something in the dungeon, you go back and help them out or wait until it is resolved before pulling a boss. It seems like you just don't like waiting for others to do their cutscenes, because it's boring for you. That's all this is about. You got to watch it when you went through on your first time, you got yours, screw everybody else, right?

Let's be real, DPS are the only ones getting left behind in extended cutscenes because you can afford to do so without consequence. It's not out of principle or trying to "do your job" to the best of your ability. It's just who you can get away with neglecting and being rude to, and who you can't afford to go without. You're perfectly happy to let that DPS play their heart out and contribute to your speedy run throughout the whole dungeon, but as soon as they need a brief moment to enjoy an important scene in the game as it's intended to be played, you leave them in the dust as if they're not one of the team. It's disgusting and shameful behaviour, but what's even more disgusting is when you try to gaslight the rest of us into believing that we're the bad guys for trying to be considerate to others.

[weebtext]

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Go read SillyCrow's original post in this thread, I beg of you. Who the heck are you to say that I don't wait for people in cutscenes/need to brb? You're not being very considerate by making such a wrong assumption.
The argument I was making was that intentionally letting someone die is griefing, however it seems that you just wanted someone to get angry at someone despite not being fully aware of what kind of player I am. I wait for people in cutscenes, I wait for people who need to brb. However at the same time I will join the early-puller, because I'm not bothered by it. I'm not bothered when people pull while I'm in a cutscene. If a healer or a tank lets someone die because they want to look like a hero to a sprout, they are not doing their job. By the way, I primarily play DPS.