Future Summoner Summonings

[Archwizard]

I hold out hope for them to provide the option to Glamour summons, much as they did with the Carbuncles/Egis. Even if they don't do so for every Primal in the game, having the option at least for the rest of the ARR 6 would be exquisite.

I doubt the devs want to make 6 versions of every spell, so even in the event they did provide glamouring, each would probably be a 1:1 replacement of an existing summon with different visual effects.

Of course, who glamours over which would be the real question -- Leviathan could fit Ifrit's leap attack but Shiva's sword works best for the following melee, and under the "caster/support/melee" pet rules you could have cleanly argued Ramuh glamouring over Garuda, but with Titan's role completely changing, one could now argue Ramuh's burst damage would fit in his slot better than Garuda's GT DoT...

[Raikai]

Slightly offtopic but in the light of having more summons, let it be glamour or new actions, I would LOVE if we got one of the mass-size summons as the LB3, like Alexander or Mateus.

[Karshan]

Before that, a small change I would make is re emphasize a bit the pet in gems phase, keep aspected summoner GCDs but have the charges be oGCD egi assaults, to still feel like you use them That said.

I hope we have all 6 base summons (so adding Ramuh, Levia, Shiva). Optionnaly, replace Phoenix with Alexander (cooler I think). And get a big "level 3" Astral / Umbral summon at level 100 : Zodiark / Hydaelyn Aspected

That would work on a 1 minute cycle rythmed by trance like now, like that :

- Summon Bahamut / Summon Alexander, for 15 seconds ; gives 3 gems of Astral or Umbral
- the gems allow you to summon the egis for ten seconds (so 4 GCDs max), 4 stacks of egi assaults and have the big version come and do the attack at the end, not the beginning
- each gem used gives an umbral or astral aether (regroup the 3 astral and 3 umbral together) to use the lvl 3 summon that only does one giga attack : Hydaelin aspected (the sundering) or Zodiark aspected (the sacrifice ?)

Or

- have aetherflow grants you the three gems, which in turn give you access to trance, which gives you the astral/umbral aether to the level 3.


I get they did the first order because of raid buff alignment and have demis during trick, but why not.

[Sequora]

Before that, a small change I would make is re emphasize a bit the pet in gems phase, keep aspected summoner GCDs but have the charges be oGCD egi assaults, to still feel like you use them That said.

I hope we have all 6 base summons (so adding Ramuh, Levia, Shiva). Optionnaly, replace Phoenix with Alexander (cooler I think). And get a big "level 3" Astral / Umbral summon at level 100 : Zodiark / Hydaelyn Aspected

That would work on a 1 minute cycle rythmed by trance like now, like that :

- Summon Bahamut / Summon Alexander, for 15 seconds ; gives 3 gems of Astral or Umbral
- the gems allow you to summon the egis for ten seconds (so 4 GCDs max), 4 stacks of egi assaults and have the big version come and do the attack at the end, not the beginning
- each gem used gives an umbral or astral aether (regroup the 3 astral and 3 umbral together) to use the lvl 3 summon that only does one giga attack : Hydaelin aspected (the sundering) or Zodiark aspected (the sacrifice ?)

Or

- have aetherflow grants you the three gems, which in turn give you access to trance, which gives you the astral/umbral aether to the level 3.


I get they did the first order because of raid buff alignment and have demis during trick, but why not.

I think that’s a tall order. I don’t think we’ll even get the other 3 primals (leviathan, shiva, and Ramuh).

There’s nothing wrong with phoenix.

They could incorporate Alexander and other summons in other ways. Like maybe have them be normal abilities.

Carbuncle gives us our defense shield, maybe it gets an upgrade in 7.0 and Alexander uses “perfect defense” or something.

That being said, I would really like to see all 6 base summons as part of our kit. We’re many expansions in at this point. I feel like endwalker is making up for past mistakes with SMN.

[ty_taurus]

It would be ideal to find a way to integrate Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva into the main kit rather than as glamours as the first six are thematically linked, but as others have said, it becomes very difficult to imagine how to do that without returning the summoner to punishing DPS. One way that I see it being done could be with making them OGCD phases that are worked in simultaneously with your GCD phases.

How it works would be Opal Shiva, Aquamarine Leviathan, and Amethyst Ramuh would replace Energy Drain/Syphon and then upgrade and change your Fester and Painflare. It's simple, yet I think it could work given the direction Summoner is now going in. I also think there's a lot of build-ability for the future after that too. Imagine an Aetherflow finisher that summons something else based on whether you summoned Shiva, Leviathan, or Ramuh, and during which phase you were in for Ifirt, Titan, or Garuda.

Ifrit + Ramuh = Ravana finisher
Titan + Shiva = Thordan finisher
Garuda + Leviathan = Bismarck finisher

It's all very long term concepts, but I think there is room to grow, and I believe that was intentional.

[StriderShinryu]

I see the addition of more primals as a fairly simple way for them to add skills/abilities to the job as we go through expansions. Instead of just giving you 3 primals to summon at any time they could make it so that you have 4 (or more) primals but have to select which three to use in which order based on the fight. Maybe Ramuh will be a DoT based summon so you may want to call him in a multi target fight instead of Ifrit with it's gap closer and melee attack. You'd still only be able to use 3 primals in your rotation/cycle between Bahamut and Phoenix but the choice on which 3 to use would be up to you.

[aveyond-dreams]

Absolutely no dot summons, please.

Whether they are added as abilities/demis/glamours, I do hope we eventually see Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva in some way. At this point I do not care for the lore of "how special Shiva is to summon!" Just add her. Period.

[Raikai]

It would be ideal to find a way to integrate Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva into the main kit rather than as glamours as the first six are thematically linked, but as others have said, it becomes very difficult to imagine how to do that without returning the summoner to punishing DPS. One way that I see it being done could be with making them OGCD phases that are worked in simultaneously with your GCD phases.

How it works would be Opal Shiva, Aquamarine Leviathan, and Amethyst Ramuh would replace Energy Drain/Syphon and then upgrade and change your Fester and Painflare. It's simple, yet I think it could work given the direction Summoner is now going in. I also think there's a lot of build-ability for the future after that too. Imagine an Aetherflow finisher that summons something else based on whether you summoned Shiva, Leviathan, or Ramuh, and during which phase you were in for Ifirt, Titan, or Garuda.

Ifrit + Ramuh = Ravana finisher
Titan + Shiva = Thordan finisher
Garuda + Leviathan = Bismarck finisher

It's all very long term concepts, but I think there is room to grow, and I believe that was intentional.

Just sayin' but Shiva should be Diamond :P

Now yeah... actually six gemstones would perfectly represent the Elemental Wheel! with Astral or Umbral polarities. Though, I could see the combinations matched to have a Light/Dark/Unaspected finishing summons... I.E. Astral + Astral = Light / Umbral + Umbral = Dark / Astral + Umbral = Unaspected.

I really like this concept of matching gemstones for a finisher... Can't wait to see the SMN gameplay to actually gauge where the system would go in 7.0.

[Sequora]

I would rather us gain new spells within our primal stances. Not saying the above ideas are clunky, but everything should meld together.

What about if in 7.0 our Garuda, ifrit, and titan phases has an extra spell.

Obviously if they were adding glamours at this point, maybe we see additional glamour primals.

[AziraSyuren]

The heck? I know details are still sparse but did I accidentally stumble on the land of make believe? This is almost the opposite of what 6.0 SMN is. It now has the least amount skills of all jobs (17 I think not including roles) and unless the summons contain a ton of nuisance which I doubt as LL mentioned “you can freely use either summon” the jobs is not clustered, which isn’t even a good thing and it’s far from busy. The delusion is real

I said future expansions for a reason.

As more is added to the job, there will either be a lot to keep track of as your skills keep changing at different parts of the rotation, or they'll all just be reskins of the same basic skills and there won't be much of a difference. If it's the former, the job will likely end up being pretty busy by virtue of how much you need to keep in mind.

Wasn't aware of the 17 skills part though.