"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I have yet to see someone get banned for letting a dps that early pulled a boss die. In fact if you do that in a raid the DPS would be considered a hard griefer and get booted instantly if they don’t apologize. Just because dungeons are lol content doesn’t change the fact that DPS shouldn’t be pulling bosses. If you do that you are at the mercy of the tank being chill about it.

You have to hit one button to take aggro. Quit being lazy and egotistical, do your job and get the run over with. Going on a power trip just wastes literally everyone's time, including yours.

I mean, to be fair, if some sprout is watching a cutscene and someone else pulls, I'm 100% leaving them to tank the boss for a few seconds, if they even survive that long.

(also partially related but 15 seconds is an awfully short window of time considering there are several cutscenes that are well over a minute long)

That ain't excusable either. People get ported into the boss room at this point, so it's a nonissue most of the time. Quit making excuses to not do your job.

Oh my God Kaoru, you can't just tell a tank to do their job! Don't you know that's like, toxic and stuff?

Sad part is, most people genuinely think asking for basic competency and someone to perform their job properly is toxic. It's ridiculous and the entire reason a lot of good players are basically refusing to do content with randoms anymore, which is pulling many good tanks and healers from the queues.

Maybe once people are struggling to finish anything because the tank can't even survive single pulls and the healer is running out of MP curebotting to no avail, they'll wake up.

Until then, I'll be doing most of my 4-man content with NPCs who do their job and don't whine about inane things.

[Ath192]

You have to hit one button to take aggro. Quit being lazy and egotistical, do your job and get the run over with. Going on a power trip just wastes literally everyone's time, including yours.



That ain't excusable either. People get ported into the boss room at this point, so it's a nonissue most of the time. Quit making excuses to not do your job.



Sad part is, most people genuinely think asking for basic competency and someone to perform their job properly is toxic. It's ridiculous and the entire reason a lot of good players are basically refusing to do content with randoms anymore, which is pulling many good tanks and healers from the queues.

Maybe once people are struggling to finish anything because the tank can't even survive single pulls and the healer is running out of MP curebotting to no avail, they'll wake up.

Until then, I'll be doing most of my 4-man content with NPCs who do their job and don't whine about inane things.

Look, I’m all for speed runs and double pulls as they are way more fun so long as everyone is having a good time. But your mentality about there being only way to do things and otherwise people aren’t doing their job isn’t correct. And it’s also against the TOS quite literally because it is the definition of enforcing a play style. If you carry that detrimental attitude into all your dungeons it’s easy to surmise you get pretty toxic and passive aggressive when people don’t do things your way. So I would encourage you to keep doing dungeons with trusts until you can learn to have a good time with others.

Personally I think this game is too easy and find single pulls boring. But I’m not going to go on forums to shame people into doing them my way because the occasional nervous or new tank doesn’t. If anything I blame bland dungeon design for people being so bored they just want to rush through everything.

The genuine correct way to do this is to encourage them to make big pulls, if they don’t catch on directly ask for them, if they explain why they don’t want to attempt to respect their decision, and if everyone else is in agreement that the dungeon is being made insanely long and the tank won’t cooperate removing him.

But I have yet to see that, normally people speed up or speak up if they really don’t want to and the party is semi chill about it.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

If you carry that detrimental attitude into all your dungeons it’s easy to surmise you get pretty toxic and passive aggressive when people don’t do things your way. So I would encourage you to keep doing dungeons with trusts until you can learn to have a good time with others.

You refuse to take aggro - on a mob, a boss, whatever - you are refusing to do your job that you signed up for, and you are actively griefing by doing so.

Get better, and grow up.

Also I don't get passive aggressive, I just bluntly tell people they're playing like garbage and either leave or gladly eat the vote kick. I run with Trusts because they're less of a headache than dealing with the literal children who play this game, but nice reach.

(also because it's funny watching them do the tightrope mechanic in Dohn Mheg)

[Kolaina]

Also I don't get passive aggressive, I just bluntly tell people they're playing like garbage and either leave or gladly eat the vote kick.

This honestly needs to happen more. Not aggressively. But some people don’t know they are bad unless told they are bad. But as soon as anyone speaks up 2 things happen.
1: they are called toxic, a buzz word that gets thrown around so loosely it has zero meaning
2: someone speaks up and says something along the lines of “they are doing fine”
No. No they are not doing fine. They are barely passable, and are often times getting carried.
I had to kick a BLM once in expert roulette because the only thing they were casting was thunder. On literally every pull, every mob. Tried explaining a rotation and got told I was toxic. Put up the vote kick and was told they were doing fine. Vote kick passed btw. But had enablers not been defending bad play for so long, maybe said blm would of had half an understanding of how to play their job.

[Ath192]

This honestly needs to happen more. Not aggressively. But some people don’t know they are bad unless told they are bad. But as soon as anyone speaks up 2 things happen.
1: they are called toxic, a buzz word that gets thrown around so loosely it has zero meaning
2: someone speaks up and says something along the lines of “they are doing fine”
No. No they are not doing fine. They are barely passable, and are often times getting carried.
I had to kick a BLM once in expert roulette because the only thing they were casting was thunder. On literally every pull, every mob. Tried explaining a rotation and got told I was toxic. Put up the vote kick and was told they were doing fine. Vote kick passed btw. But had enablers not been defending bad play for so long, maybe said blm would of had half an understanding of how to play their job.

It's not just the players enabling though, the game should be hard enough those types of players shouldn't even be able to succeed past the early levels of the game to begin with. If they took the time to figure out the math for the average damage that a group playing optimally can achieve in that dungeon, and then set DPS checks to roughly 50% of that, so that people are required to at least be outputting half the damage their job is actually capable of I think those types of players would cease to exist, it would also leave room for deaths and recoveries and I don't think that is an unreasonable request.

The problem is that you can sit for hours at a boss soloing it because it will just repeat mechanics over and over again until its dead instead of failing. I guarantee you that if failure was an option due to a reasonable damage check enablers would cease to exist because they literally wouldn't be able to get past the content, and like stated previously this isn't supposed to be some savage or extreme level stuff, just average to encourage job learning in game.

They could also mitigate the healer dying issue in 4 person dungeons by allowing the phoenix down to be used in combat, with the same cast time, so its a punishment for using it (slowing you down) and a 10 minute cooldown or something to prevent people spamming it. That way groups could recover from healer deaths, and it would create a market for phoenix downs.

[Ath192]

You refuse to take aggro - on a mob, a boss, whatever - you are refusing to do your job that you signed up for, and you are actively griefing by doing so.

Get better, and grow up.

Also I don't get passive aggressive, I just bluntly tell people they're playing like garbage and either leave or gladly eat the vote kick. I run with Trusts because they're less of a headache than dealing with the literal children who play this game, but nice reach.

(also because it's funny watching them do the tightrope mechanic in Dohn Mheg)

If you pull as a dps because the tank isn't going fast enough instead of maturely asking him to go faster you are actively griefing. Get better social skills and grow up. Learn to communicate in ways that achieve positive results instead of getting reported.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

If you pull as a dps because the tank isn't going fast enough instead of maturely asking him to go faster you are actively griefing. Get better social skills and grow up. Learn to communicate in ways that achieve positive results instead of getting reported.

If the entirety of your party is ahead of you, most people have the common sense enough to realize they're going too slow.

But common sense is lost on most people who play this game, I know.