Sage

[QooEr]

Seeing as we might be able to double the potency of a heal, I foresee E. Prognosis having a very valuable niche in high-end raiding actually. Imagine getting a doubly potent Succor off during savage prog, and while still having the chance to crit. Though we don't know if that will be the case for sure.

yeah, zoe e. prognosis will be basically sage's adlo deploy shields. my point was mainly that i wish they had just done more with eukrasia as a mechanic, because 2 out of the 3 skill it augments are just straight up better in most cases and there will be very little decision making for it.

[GrimGale]

Toxikon II feels like it should be oGCD.

I honestly thought Phlegma III was going to be oGCD, but seeing its range I understand its appeal as a Mobility tied burst for some variation with Icarus.

Toxikon II should be the reward for proper shielding, a DPS neutral skill for healing. Like a mini Misery. It would also feel very... Battle ready?

You block an attack and deliver riposte!

[Sighearth]

Sage seems pretty solid, but I don't think it will be meta. Their potencies need to be higher or else SCH still will do more rDPS because of chain. I guess AST/SCH prob will be the most dps comp for healers. Toxicon/Addersting is something that I dont like tbh. Basically you have to put a shield that have to be consumed and all you gain is a another dosis that is insta cast? So you essentially lose a dosis. Thats too much of a loss, its better to just clip you gcd to move a bit further than it is to lose it entirely. Also having to pre pull eukrasian diagnosis 3 ppl if there is an aoe in the first 30 secs and also every downtime to generate free adderstings gonna get old really fast. Their dot is also not so great for movement, instead of just using it and move for 2.5s you break it in 2, you will need to eukrasia -> move for 1 sec then eukrasian dosis -> move for another 1.5s. If SGE have to move great distances in a burst of movement, they can Phlegma (which is melee range). I guess it all depends if the movement can be have the boss as a middle point so you Phlegma near the boss and then Icarus to an ally but both are 45s cd and cant rely on the dot for this kind of movement. Now, one thing that is busted as hell is gonna be Pneuma with zoe + Krasis

[Mortex]

Sage seems pretty solid, but I don't think it will be meta. Their potencies need to be higher or else SCH still will do more rDPS because of chain. I guess AST/SCH prob will be the most dps comp for healers. Toxicon/Addersting is something that I dont like tbh. Basically you have to put a shield that have to be consumed and all you gain is a another dosis that is insta cast? So you essentially lose a dosis. Thats too much of a loss, its better to just clip you gcd to move a bit further than it is to lose it entirely. Also having to pre pull eukrasian diagnosis 3 ppl if there is an aoe in the first 30 secs and also every downtime to generate free adderstings gonna get old really fast. Their dot is also not so great for movement, instead of just using it and move for 2.5s you break it in 2, you will need to eukrasia -> move for 1 sec then eukrasian dosis -> move for another 1.5s. If SGE have to move great distances in a burst of movement, they can Phlegma (which is melee range). I guess it all depends if the movement can be have the boss as a middle point so you Phlegma near the boss and then Icarus to an ally but both are 45s cd and cant rely on the dot for this kind of movement. Now, one thing that is busted as hell is gonna be Pneuma with zoe + Krasis

They have a baseline 330 nuke even whm has only 310 and also it has a lot of other really strong dmg ability’s and the best “bubble” from all the healer .

[Sighearth]

They have a baseline 330 nuke even whm has only 310 and also it has a lot of other really strong dmg ability’s and the best “bubble” from all the healer .

I know, even with all that. I made the calculations based on current known potencies (which is silly I know) and SCH is ahead by around 1%. Remember that SCH's energy drain is a free 100 potency now with the broil change. Chain accounts for around 10% more dps for the SCH (counting everybody's dps to it) in a static group. kerachole is indeed pretty strong because of the infinite range after it is applied, but Soil still have 100 potency more from the ground insta tick. Even with the extra tick I agree that SGE bubble is better.

[Mortex]

I know, even with all that. I made the calculations based on current known potencies (which is silly I know) and SCH is ahead by around 1%. Remember that SCH's energy drain is a free 100 potency now with the broil change. Chain accounts for around 10% more dps for the SCH (counting everybody's dps to it) in a static group. kerachole is indeed pretty strong because of the infinite range after it is applied, but Soil still have 100 potency more from the ground insta tick. Even with the extra tick I agree that SGE bubble is better.

Ofc but don’t forget scholar chain still doesn’t work for wars direct hit crit and in a whm/sch group you often need to use aetherflow stacks for a indo or exgoc making and don’t forget sge has a 120 sec ogcd tactical deployment with no prep time. Ofc sch in a astro/sch is still doing good but so does sage.

[Duskane]

Ofc but don’t forget scholar chain still doesn’t work for wars direct hit crit

wasnt much of a big deal in SB,wont be now.

[Mortex]

wasnt much of a big deal in SB,wont be now.

Well war wasn’t “good” for a long time in shadowbringer. Like xenos was the only week 1 war for the eden 1-4 savage raid tier if I remember. Also new war is gonna have Inner release up for every chain strat ,the war we have now does it only for every 3 chain or after 6 mins and then after this 6 mins again. So if we look at it from a 15 mins raid encounter chain and inner line up only 2 times and now it’s gonna be every 2 mins in a fight. So in a 12 min fight 6 times that’s pretty annoying if you wanna get good logs on sch (so only min max will not like it) but have a war as a main tank. And from what we do know atm of war it’s gonna be hands down the best main tank by a mile because he gets even more sustain (well less in dungeon wall to wall pulls) in single target fights that is consistent. Now the problem in a single target boss fight is if you don’t time nascent in a inner release timer or 2 inner chaos the self heal is so minimal that it’s not worth a lot of situations.

[Duskane]

New Inner release DH + Crit only works on beast gauge moves
which onslaught and upheaval are not on anymore judging from the tool tip

[Mortex]

New Inner release DH + Crit only works on beast gauge moves
which onslaught and upheaval are not on anymore judging from the tool tip

Yes you are correct. But it is still a bit annoying for sch player nothing more and it doesn’t kill them. Also sch isn’t the only one that doesn’t like war in the party “looks at dragoon”.