Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[nebby00]

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Ah, true! I completely forgot that content creators can start talking about the media tour on the 13th. I really want to see the emotes for the Male Viera, it'll most likely determine if I'll actually commit and be patient enough for November to fantasia, or turn back into the Miqo'te or Au Ra presets I have saved at the moment.

And I am also looking forward to a possible Viera zone, or Viera hanging out in Thanvir or something like that... God forbid they make another relic zone like Bozja/Eureka and make that the Viera zone; I absolutely hate those areas tbh. It was cool seeing the Viera NPCs in the first, but perhaps the Male Viera would be out and about to. Would make sense since it is technically the end of the world in Endwalker, though I would also be pretty hyped if Female Hrothgar are introduced in the patches after 6.0, though they might tie them to 7.0's expansion as an expansion feature. It would make them money that way, but I do hope people will have that option sooner rather than later since I am super curious how the female Hrothgar are going to look like ^.^

[SturmChurro]

I'd just say to save the fantasia. Female viera look quite a bit better than the male variants, and I'm betting many will switch back sooner than later.

[nebby00]

I kind of like the males a little bit better, though only 2 out of 4 face options I like for them. Not sure what the voices will sound like in combat, but that'll be a deal breaker for me if they don't have any good combat sounds. And I'm already used to not wearing hats or not having access to hairstyles, so if the males turn out the same way as the females and them being limited then it won't bother me... that and the male's hairstyles I like a lot better than the ones given to the females, and for male characters I tend to not switch up their hairstyle too often, so it's all positives for me so far.

[MellowMink]

It's so weird to me that some people are bothered by male Viera being playable since that supposedly goes against lore, yet I'm supposed to believe that every single male Viera in the entire universe of Final Fantasy XIV's multiple worlds chooses to comply with this supposedly mandated isolation and has no independent will of their own to try some public adventuring? I think the idea that there wouldn't be a single outlier is far more unbelievable than the idea that a few could be adventurers as well.

What, do they spontaneously combust if they come into contact with someone outside of their species, followed by the people who see them always having an inexplicable memory wipe? Is it literally impossible for them to have a relationship with someone who isn't a Viera either? Because that would be pretty problematic if that's the case.

Same deal goes for the female Hrothgar; how do people think it's unreasonable that an occasional female Hrothgar wouldn't be enthusiastic about the idea of living in isolation for their entire life? It's just ridiculous to me from a commonsense perspective.

[Tsiron]

I can say with certainty it's almost always been used as an excuse to not have to design the counterparts of, idk, stereotypically extreme races, super hot ultra waifus (mithra, 1.0 miqo'te, viera) and/or mega brawny manly dudes (galka, 1.0 roegadyn, hrothgar), because the end result is less likely to appeal... although the latter definitely suffers the most in that regard. Not many people play Femroe (I'm sorry, I tried...) so I wouldn't be surprised if female Hrothgar end up the victims of some of that good ol' MMO sexual dimorphism just to avoid a similar scenario...

[MikkoAkure]

It's so weird to me that some people are bothered by male Viera being playable since that supposedly goes against lore, yet I'm supposed to believe that every single male Viera in the entire universe of Final Fantasy XIV's multiple worlds chooses to comply with this supposedly mandated isolation and has no independent will of their own to try some public adventuring? I think the idea that there wouldn't be a single outlier is far more unbelievable than the idea that a few could be adventurers as well.

What, do they spontaneously combust if they come into contact with someone outside of their species, followed by the people who see them always having an inexplicable memory wipe? Is it literally impossible for them to have a relationship with someone who isn't a Viera either? Because that would be pretty problematic if that's the case.

Same deal goes for the female Hrothgar; how do people think it's unreasonable that an occasional female Hrothgar wouldn't be enthusiastic about the idea of living in isolation for their entire life? It's just ridiculous to me from a commonsense perspective.

I'm not against their inclusion and I can see both sides of the argument, but pre-imperial invasion it's like seeing a male member of an uncontacted native Amazon tribe walking around in Kyoto, if said tribe only had 1 male in 10 births and each male went through a period of dangerous training before being set free to roam the jungles, being taught their whole life with no outside interference or knowledge that it's their position in life to do so. All of viera culture is heavily indoctrinated into a "this is the way of things". Up until recently, the men in the trees have had no contact or reference at all with the outside world and would have no idea if it was better or worse than their current situation. The only thing they may know is that once every rare now and again when one decides to visit the women to mate and drag pubescent boys off into the jungle, they may hear about a woman or two leaving the homeland and abandoning their culture.

That said, there's already a lot of upheaval going on in the viera homeland now that the Garleans have invaded and are actively fighting them. Viera are also described as voluntarily leaving after defeating the Garleans in order to see what the world they come from is like.

Female hrothgar meanwhile make 0 sense to me and I have no idea why we never got NPCs of them and the starring role was given to a roegadyn. The absence of female ronso is even more confusing since they don't even have queens or anything and the few that are described are normal women.

As far as having relationships outside of viera, all races in all regions have a taboo against interracial mixing. Hilda was noted in her story to be a very notable exception to the rule, and except for 2 half-Garlean siblings and an apocryphal fisherman's tale, all other mixed children are not products of a consensual mixed relationship. There were even 2 men chased out of their village in a side quest because they're in a relationship and are a hyur and a miqo'te. And while I don't know what FFXIV viera think of other races, but in the Ivalice series viera described humes as being malformed and ugly so I don't think they had much mixing going on and we only know of one instance of that happening and it did not end well at all.

[AxelBranford]

I'd just say to save the fantasia. Female viera look quite a bit better than the male variants, and I'm betting many will switch back sooner than later.

Which is normal, all races release was like that: Au'ra, Hrothgar and FemViera.
First month (and dare say week) will have a boon of bunnies everywhere and then when the hype goes down, who liked stay as.

[Lastelli]

I'm not against their inclusion and I can see both sides of the argument, but pre-imperial invasion it's like seeing a male member of an uncontacted native Amazon tribe walking around in Kyoto...

I mean, the lore was created that way to justify the fact that MViera are not seen in previous games and in ShB, since the race itself was basically created to pander to the prevalent horny male teenager audience. It's not like it's a fundamental and unchangeable state of the world. All it takes is an additional piece of lore that says "look, their homeland is in danger so they decided to venture out". Even without that, "mommy crystal called the MViera and he decided to leave his bros in the woods" would be a more than acceptable explanation given the circumstances and the fact that our character is a singularity. And to be honest, it's pretty weird that MViera are nowhere to be seen in two different worlds with two different catastrophes coming their way because they're oh so precious. Really doesn't make any sense, especially when you see beast tribes working with playable races on the First. FHrogh too of course. It was clearly due to resource constraints and they came up with a lore excuse so their white knights could do the rest of the work for them.

Either way, I feel vindicated, I remember having a few arguments when FViera was announced and I pointed out that not having MViera and FHroth was just stupid, the lore argument was weak and they'd eventually add them because the community would ask for it. Let's just say that I now agree with those people that say that many ffxiv players look more like zealots than actual consumers.

[Duskane]

personally cant wait to spam and try to re-edit character when servers are up due to server congestion.

[SturmChurro]

Which is normal, all races release was like that: Au'ra, Hrothgar and FemViera.
First month (and dare say week) will have a boon of bunnies everywhere and then when the hype goes down, who liked stay as.

I don't know about that. Au Ra are very popular: both males and females. Not to mention they aren't limited. Male viera are limited, and I can't see the appeal for them like male au ra in comparison either.