Wow, So The Game is Becoming Even More Easy?

[Garnix]

The truth is that until SE hires a dedicated Tank an Healer dev the tank an healer classes will always be on the backburner.. you look at all the dps classes from Endwalkers trailers they all look new an exciting.. then compare it to tanks an healers and you can see they have nothing new(except pally that new swords is pretty cool)

You say that, but out of all the jobs, I feel like Pally could be the one being changed the least gameplay-wise.
It might look the flashiest of all tanks in the trailer, but the new flashy thing could just be replacing goring after the requiescat window, which, in fact, wouldn't change the rotation at all.

[bundythenoob]

There is more to this game then Healer gameplay you know.
Just because I dislike what they did with Healing this last expac, does not mean I suddenly don't care about the story, the gold saucer gates, treasure maps and all the other thigns that make the game fun for me.

If non of the Healers end up being fun, I'll drop those like a hot potatoe and enjoy the fun as a dps or tank. Because as far as I can tell, that's the roles SE cares about.

lmfao SE gives an exponentially negatory amount of shizzz about both tanks and healers. despite the near infinite revenue this game has brought them since SHB, they never hired dedicated tanks and healer devs to fix the problems (they instead force their DPS devs to do it, devs which have stated before that THEY DONT LIKE PLAYING TANKS OR HEALERS), they never hired additional devs to fix the 1.0 spaghetti code that prevents them from revamping encounter and boss design (which is why I suspect they went towards a more complicated job design in STB), and they most certainly never bothered to look at the ~3 years worth of VALID CRITICISM found in these forums.

you're right in that there is more to this GAME than healer GAMEPLAY
but isn't the point of a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME to offer a wide variety of GAMEPLAY STYLES to its varied audience, especially if that audience is forking over $15+/mo?
and before you say anything, yes I've been in love with the story, music, the world, the characters, and the overall aesthetic of the GAME since ARR, but if the GAMEPLAY of the GAME is as deep as a drop of water, well..


"there wasnt much we could do with drk/sch/mch/brd/pld/drg/sam/dnc"

[Truen]

I think they just want the very casual audience to be hooked on so they would buy 100$ mounts and all the minions. I got some, too and eventually realized I'm just stretching the game hard to find something that makes me less angry at how boring the combat is. This is especially noticeable, coming in after Sekiro and FF Origins trial where all these roles (white mage, dragoon, black mage) are FUN and come to life, even if the dungeons are very similar to FF XIV.

And yeah, I think there are some forks, though I might have been wrong on their price, it's like 40$?

I can understand wanting to keep the game profitable but nothing stops them from making separate modes for people who want hardcore action.

Boring the heck out of them with 1-diminsional gameplay isn't the way to hook anyone. Healer gameplay sucks; very few enjoy spamming 1 button over and over again.

[AikenDrum]

I think there're some quite popular games where gameplay is just watching battles without any player input, called autobattles or something? Not very familiar, but I wouldn't underestimate the casual audience ^^

That said, I don't think the oversimplification itself is the problem with current healers, but rather the part of the kit they chose to simplify was just... wrong. "Healers heal" idea is incompatible with "casual mmo" one: job kit focused on the part that has hard cap and you deliberately aren't allowing to fail at in the majority of the content will always lead to horrible gameplay.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind tales of arise approach? We'd be able to choose the hard mode, while casuals could... experience the story and focus on the characters! ^_^

[Comfort]

As if they would care for my sales anyway, lol. Yoshi P is too busy being a rockstar for teenagers and young adults, simplifying the already brain-dead combat - the core of any game.

I'm pretty sure casual players are not madeup of just these age brackets.

I consider myself a casual player in terms of content I do, however I would like playing healer to feel more engaging and fun. This doesn't mean it has to make things difficult for certain players either. I would like to see them have more confidence in the capabilities of their players.

This won't stop me from playing though because I can still play any job on my character. I may be opting to play another role.

Players are all free to speak with their wallet. I'm not going to tell them to play another job tho, that's not my place.

[Thoosa]

From what I heard and I don’t know how accurate it is, the budget for 14 is tight, so I’d imagine they have to be pretty ruthless in what they prioritise and may explain why they have a formula that never changes.

Also apparently there are parts of the code that are a spaghetti mess which will development difficult and costly?

Appealing to the most amount of people will bring in more sub money so who knows if they increase budget for other things? If hardcore players drop off, it won’t have much impact as I think as they are a minority.

I also heard there’s still issues with people quitting before finishing arr? A new expansion won’t help that and may dissuade people to trawl from 1-90 if they just want to raid.

[Garnix]

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There are plenty of action-oriented MMOs out there. Sounds like those would be more suited to your tastes.
The same argument that you have about 'FF14 is WoW with a FF paint job over it' could be used for FF Origins: "It is NiOh with a FF paint job over it".

Your comparison to Xenoblade kinda stands, but...I really did not find complexity at all when I played XC1. You really just have to press the buttons as they light up. It's not any different from low-level XIV.
And XC2 was so overly and needlessly complex that most people did not even care trying to learn how intricate it really was and mostly just touched the surface. XIV is somewhere in the middle between XC1 and XC2 in terms of gameplay complexity IMO.

That said, you have one point: XC's gameplay is pretty much consistent from the beginning. XIV on the other hand has a very slow ramp-up. So yeah, when you go back to a low level classes, it doesn't really feel great.

[Iscah]

IMO the complex gaming experience has to come from the encounters, not from your rotation.

This is my preference too. Less looking at hotbars and more time looking at what the boss is doing.

[Garnix]

sigh, except FF Origins manages to feel distinct and like an actual FF game despite the obvious code work being taken from Nioh. While FF XIV can't offer anything substantial despite having everything going for it.
But don't worry, I didn't expect anything else from people who can't look past the visuals and focus on substance

Hard disagree. But don't worry, I don't expect anything else from people who can't look past level 60 dungeon gameplay.

[Ayche]

Considering the scenario that Shadowbringers saw a massive spike in new players, it would be insane choice to pivot into content difficulty hard enough to make old veterans struggle. I have seen the Struggle Titania fights.