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  1. #171
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    Mimilu's Avatar
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin- View Post
    I wish to be forum SMN so I can summon Titanmen on whenever we need new subject to "discuss" about
    Don't wait for the Titanmen you want , become the Titanmen you need. >w>
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  2. #172
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I've only ever seen those essences drop in DR. How are people running it for their first few times supposed to use something that they haven't even gotten? How is it that I'm still able to survive most bosses without those essences if they're so mandatory? I'm sure that if you've stayed on top of the current content for the past two years, you have essences coming out your ears. In a healthy game, though, there's a constant influx of new players who haven't built up giant essence collections. My many deaths in DR were not due to lacking essences. They were due to my failure to realize that the barriers surrounding the first boss were intended to be used as a backstop for some mechanics and as a shield for others. They were due to my puzzlement at a temperature gauge appearing over my head with no idea as to how I was supposed to properly regulate it. They were due to my ignorance of the visual tells that indicated that AoEs of varying types were imminent.
    Essences, specifically anything that increases your damage output are mandatory mainly because of just how much health the bosses have in addition to players being locked to item level 430. To drive that home, the final boss in DR has 103,065,720 hit points. Nearly as much as the Red Girl from the final Nier Raid who has roughly 7 million more hit points than the Queen, but doesn't hamper the player by keeping their ilvl low. Without people using essences to make up for that gap in damage, fights drag on for far longer than they should, and that's not even getting into the people that leave the group once they see just how slow bosses are dying, or the ones that kill themselves and refuse any resurrections thrown their way. Sprinkle in some new players that genuinely have no idea what's happening and you have a recipe for one painfully slow run while the few players that do know what's going on and came prepared are contemplating leaving the group as well.

    Also, if you need some basic essences, you can always just go inside Bozja and farm some rank 1 enemies near the entrances to the 1st and 2nd zones. There's always a few people willing to party up for essence farming, so you can have well over 100 essences in 30-60 minutes of farming. Turn on some relaxing tunes, turn off your brain and just watch as the essences pour in.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    If the usual suspects keep crying in every thread about wanting harder dungeons, I guess I'll keep reposting YoshiP's interview from May.
    They probably said the same about SMN, MNK or any other system you can think of that was eventually changed because enough people wanted it. This is nothing different.
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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    They probably said the same about SMN, MNK or any other system you can think of that was eventually changed because enough people wanted it. This is nothing different.
    You want to bet? You'll never see hard 4-man content outside of deep dungeons. They won't invest ressources into it with things being as tight as they are already. You'll get your normal dungeons, your normal and alliance raids, your savage tier and your exploratory missions (which already took away from the number of dungeons in shb)/deep dungeons and that's it.
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  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    Essences, specifically anything that increases your damage output are mandatory mainly because of just how much health the bosses have in addition to players being locked to item level 430. To drive that home, the final boss in DR has 103,065,720 hit points. Nearly as much as the Red Girl from the final Nier Raid who has roughly 7 million more hit points than the Queen, but doesn't hamper the player by keeping their ilvl low. Without people using essences to make up for that gap in damage, fights drag on for far longer than they should, and that's not even getting into the people that leave the group once they see just how slow bosses are dying, or the ones that kill themselves and refuse any resurrections thrown their way. Sprinkle in some new players that genuinely have no idea what's happening and you have a recipe for one painfully slow run while the few players that do know what's going on and came prepared are contemplating leaving the group as well.

    Also, if you need some basic essences, you can always just go inside Bozja and farm some rank 1 enemies near the entrances to the 1st and 2nd zones. There's always a few people willing to party up for essence farming, so you can have well over 100 essences in 30-60 minutes of farming. Turn on some relaxing tunes, turn off your brain and just watch as the essences pour in.
    I have run DR normal with Heal role a few times, and it is honestly the best dungeon/raid currently in game, at least for Heal.

    Roomwide AOE either hit hard or come very frequent that keep me busy.

    From my experience most of the player will use some Essence in DR normal, the biggest issue of dragging the run/fight longer are players death.

    However, the mechanics might not be hard to figure out after enought experience in DR, but it is unforgiving, 2 strikes and players got a Doom.

    It is the only content I spend so much time casting rez, and sometime I dont even have a heal in my team and I have to carry lost cure and HP potion instead
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  6. #176
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    Jin Wa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Don't wait for the Titanmen you want , become the Titanmen you need. >w>
    I feel like I am not creative enough for that job. Nor is my spelling and vocabulary advanced enough.

    Thanks for the suggestion!
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  7. #177
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misutoraru View Post
    I have run DR normal with Heal role a few times, and it is honestly the best dungeon/raid currently in game, at least for Heal.

    Roomwide AOE either hit hard or come very frequent that keep me busy.

    From my experience most of the player will use some Essence in DR normal, the biggest issue of dragging the run/fight longer are players death.

    However, the mechanics might not be hard to figure out after enought experience in DR, but it is unforgiving, 2 strikes and players got a Doom.

    It is the only content I spend so much time casting rez, and sometime I dont even have a heal in my team and I have to carry lost cure and HP potion instead
    Whenever I go in DR as a Tank or DPS, I make sure to bring an essence with regen attached to it. That way I'm not entirely reliant on someone else not letting me die to a raidwide.
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  9. #178
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    Well.... if that's not a disappointing news... *sigh*
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  10. #179
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    Ronduwil Thaliakson
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    Also, if you need some basic essences, you can always just go inside Bozja and farm some rank 1 enemies near the entrances to the 1st and 2nd zones. There's always a few people willing to party up for essence farming, so you can have well over 100 essences in 30-60 minutes of farming. Turn on some relaxing tunes, turn off your brain and just watch as the essences pour in.
    The fact that this advice isn't available in the game itself or even as a pre-req for running DR is a failure on SE's part. If this is really a prerequisite for successfully running that content, they should have a quest where you provide the proof that you have those essences.

    Be that as it may, the irony is that the people complaining the most about wanting harder content are the same ones who complain about players making the content harder by not using essences, on the grounds that neglecting to use essences is making the content harder for them. It's seriously a case of "I'm making the game too easy for myself, so you need to make the game harder for everyone so that I can continue to experience a challenge." The game already has difficult content. As many players have stated, if you want to make RD hard, just run it in savage mode without essences. But they won't do that because they really want the game to be easy for them. They just want it to be hard for everyone else who isn't in the know like they are.
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    Last edited by Ronduwil; 10-02-2021 at 05:04 AM.

  11. #180
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Poor guy (Asmongold), it's a fate for pretty much anyone of a certain level of popularity (we've seen similar turning / corrupting of things on other content creators here, well in general of life not just here), but it's a nice accomplishment that is being marred for whatever laughs available to mine..

    Congratulations to Asmongold, and any other creator invited, it's got to be a neat thing to be part of and all those invited should be happy for that. Also unfortunate to hear about what's going on at home for him, best wishes..

    As for the latter part of the OP I have and will always be for a voracious apatite in going out, learning what others are doing well (and not), and then doing better. FFXIV shouldn't mimic WoW, as a shadow would, but there is much that has undoubtedly been learned, much yet to learn (both what's cool and what's not), and not just WoW I'll always encourage FFXIV to go out find out what's cool, what's cool specifically for 'their' game, and then do it better. That includes not only other MMORPGs but just games in general. Why pay for costly research when other people are out there doing it for what is basically "for free". FREE RESEARCH! lol. Honestly that's a great value, why pass that up? Of course still important to have your own visions too, just why rebuild, without any knowledge of, the wheel when making your neat car?
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    Last edited by Shougun; 10-02-2021 at 05:19 AM.

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